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Sadly also Apple collects data on their users. Last year around 300TB a day on what users search for, which apps they use, how many times, where you click and n
by elborro 8y ago
Sadly also Apple collects data on their users. Last year around 300TB a day on what users search for, which apps they use, how many times, where you click and navigate through the OS and in the apps, etc. :(
- jpttsn 8y agoI’d love to learn more
- mitch3x3 8y agoThis is something all businesses do. The issue is whether or not they sell that information.
- shawnz 8y agoWhy is that "the issue"? There are many other problems with excessive telemetry besides data being sold to third parties. Besides, both Google and Apple claim that they don't sell telemetry data to third parties, so how is that aspect of the issue even relevant here?
- Cyph0n 8y agoWell, the question I always ask is who has more to gain (financially) from selling user telemetry: Apple or Google?
- yalogin 8y agoWell, ok but Apple also - does not use that data to sell stuff to you. - don't have a reason to profile you and store those profiles constantly updated. - don't have a reason to "follow" you across the web everywhere you go to update that profile. Just having that profile on you makes a company a liability. C you trust a company that makes money solely based on the information they collect about you to make decisions that benefit you? or your privacy and security?
- bryanrasmussen 8y agoAny third party that would pay google enough for the data would probably be seen by Alphabet as a company ripe for disruption.
- garmaine 8y agoImportant questions: 1. Do they share this data with people? 2. Is this data anonymized? 3. Is this data directly monetized, or otherwise give incentives to violate user privacy?
- fucking_tragedy 8y agoApple is a business like any other, all it will take is for the right financial incentives for them to engage in data sharing if they don't already.
- bryanrasmussen 8y agoSure, but what do you think those incentives could probably be for a company that makes its living based not on data collection but selling physical products whose 'best product is now privacy' according to the post, and who are more profitable than anyone else?
- fucking_tragedy 8y agoProfit, pure and simple. Just because they're profitable, does not mean they will not seek other avenues of revenue. I won't pretend to be able to predict the future, but markets shift, and should Apple find themselves in less favorable position than the one they're in today, I'd have a hard time believing they wouldn't sell user data. Google was once the "don't be evil" company.
- jernfrost 8y agoThere is a financial incentive to NOT share data because there is a demand in the market for privacy. Apple can pursue this market because they charge for hardware. Google had no way of making money on privacy because they don’t sell a physical product. So it is simple: Apple has a choice. Google doesn’t.
- fucking_tragedy 8y ago> There is a financial incentive to NOT share data because there is a demand in the market for privacy Where? I can't identify a single non-tech-oriented person in my life who makes phone purchasing decisions based off of vague notions like privacy. In fact, I'd say that the market does not demand privacy, it is ambivalent to it. I don't agree with ambivalence, but I also don't see consumers making privacy-minded purchases, either.
- mkolodny 8y agoApple, along with Google and other companies, gives the government access to pretty much all of our data: https://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/4403868/nsa-fbi-mine-data-apple-google-facebook-microsoft-others-prism https://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/4403868/nsa-fbi-mine-data-...
- mrtksn 8y agoYep, that's why our data is a liability for them, thus they are trying to collect as less as possible. Which, is also the main argument of the OP for preferring Apple.
- mkolodny 8y agoApple gives the government a backdoor into your iPhone. So I'd argue that you don't have privacy when you use an iPhone, period. Same goes for any smartphone, really. I'd guess that Apple really collects less data because they want to preserve your battery life, not your privacy.
- asimpletune 8y agoSorry, how has Apple given the gov’t a backdoor?
- lev99 8y agoSource?
- Operyl 8y agoSources? I hear this way too often.
- clay_the_ripper 8y agoPlease provide a source or don’t post unsubstantiated comments.
- mkolodny 8y ago
- starsinspace 8y agoDo you have a source for this?