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> I'm genuinely curious: do you wear glasses? How do you keep them from getting fogged up/iced over when riding in the winter? Don't waste your time. Pro-cycli

by jbob2000 8y ago

> I'm genuinely curious: do you wear glasses? How do you keep them from getting fogged up/iced over when riding in the winter? Don't waste your time. Pro-cyclists are the most biased and privileged people I've ever met. Just get on your bike, it's so easy! forgets that some people have bad knees. All you need is some goggles when it rains! forgets that people wear glasses. Just wait for the snow to be cleared! forgets that some cities don't clear snow. Just buy knobby tires! forgets that smaller people will struggle with the extra weight. Just wear a face mask! forgets that some cities ban face coverings and certain demographics get looked at strangely if they wear balaklavas

village-idiot 8y ago
I laugh at the idea that cyclists are privileged people when your entire argument is "I want to sit in my $30k steel box, not have to prepare for changes in weather, not interact with other people, and not work". The idea that someone on a $400 bike who read a weather report and works to commute is "privileged" is ludicrous.
- oftenwrong 8y ago
  Don't forget the massive infrastructure investments required to support life built on the private car. Maintained roads and gasoline come at an enormous cost to society. The cost of everything is multiplied by driving-based distances.
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    Also, drivers aren’t even paying their way for roads. The percentage of roads paid for by gas taxes is at 50% and falling. Those of us who commute sans car are chipping in thousands of dollars per year to subsidize road commuters.
- jbob2000 8y ago
  The privilege is around ability, not cost. No less than half of my coworkers are constantly complaining about how broken their bodies are, you expect these people to just hop on a bike and go?
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    Well, if they had done that earlier their bodies probably wouldn’t be so broken. Sitting still is bad for you. I just find your hatred for cyclists utterly bizarre. Did a cyclist murder a family member and you need revenge, or what?
    - jbob2000 8y ago
      I absolutely do not hate cyclists, I am one myself. When I lived in the city, I commuted in to work on a bike. I have lived that life and know what it’s about. What I disagree with is the idea that we can build a society around cycling. I was lucky to be able to live close enough to work and be abled enough to do the ride 5 days a week. And I was lucky that, on days with bad weather, I could work from home because of my job as a software developer. As I started to look outside of my own life, I saw that not so many people were lucky. Actually, most people weren’t this lucky. How would I ride to work as a construction worker, with all my equipment and rotating job locations? How could I do this as a nurse, where I would be on my feet all day working odd hours? The more and more I considered all the ways people participate in society, the more I realized that the very narrow constraints of cycling just don’t work for most people. So sure, build the cycling lanes and bike racks, I’m not asking you to rip those up. There are many people who can cycle and we should accommodate them. But that’s it - Just accommodate them. Don’t try to uproot the core structure of our way of life. You’ll want the roadways when you get old and injured can’t ride any more.
      - village-idiot 8y ago
        Oh, so you made up my position (rip up all the roads), and then got pissed about it. Got it.
CorvusCrypto 8y ago
This isn't really a fair statement to make. Sure some people will have struggles with using a bike all winter and it may not be possible for them, but it doesn't invalidate the ideas or arguments as a whole. To assume all people for the idea are just biased and privileged based on cherry picked negative situations is just not fair. If you can't cycle then you can't cycle. Just because a few can't do something doesnt mean that this idea as a whole is invalid.
- jbob2000 8y ago
  The idea alone isn’t invalid in theory, but in practice. Add up all the people who can’t ride bikes for whatever reasons and you see that we’re exactly where we’re at now; some people ride, most don’t. You seem to think that it’s a small number of people who can’t ride, but I think it’s the opposite.
adrianN 8y ago
Some people can't drive due to medical conditions or because they're too young or too old. Should we stop building roads?
- jbob2000 8y ago
  Nope, but those people can be driven by someone else. How the hell do I drive my mother to the hospital on my bike?
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    “I might occasionally need to use a car, therefore I should use it all the time no matter the context” is a very weak argument.
    - jbob2000 8y ago
      "This thing has incredible utility and practicality, therefore I use it for most transportation because it allows for flexible planning - a necessity in an ever-changing world" As opposed to a bike: "This thing has a very constrained set of operating parameters, therefore I use it occasionally when the situation fits best"
  - adrianN 8y ago
    If it's an emergency you call an ambulance, if it's not an emergency you take a taxi.
always_good 8y ago
I don't understand this reasoning. People use this same logic when others suggest eating healthy and exercising. "And if someone works three jobs and has ten kids? Hmmmm? Then what?? Gotcha!" Begins to reek of someone using the condition of others to rationalize why they themselves can't be bothered to do something. Not to mention the fact that you're more privileged in a car than on a bicycle. Cycling really does attract the same nonsensical aggressive reactions as eating healthy and exercising.

village-idiot 8y ago

I laugh at the idea that cyclists are privileged people when your entire argument is "I want to sit in my $30k steel box, not have to prepare for changes in weather, not interact with other people, and not work". The idea that someone on a $400 bike who read a weather report and works to commute is "privileged" is ludicrous.

oftenwrong 8y ago
Don't forget the massive infrastructure investments required to support life built on the private car. Maintained roads and gasoline come at an enormous cost to society. The cost of everything is multiplied by driving-based distances.
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Also, drivers aren’t even paying their way for roads. The percentage of roads paid for by gas taxes is at 50% and falling. Those of us who commute sans car are chipping in thousands of dollars per year to subsidize road commuters.
jbob2000 8y ago
The privilege is around ability, not cost. No less than half of my coworkers are constantly complaining about how broken their bodies are, you expect these people to just hop on a bike and go?
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Well, if they had done that earlier their bodies probably wouldn’t be so broken. Sitting still is bad for you. I just find your hatred for cyclists utterly bizarre. Did a cyclist murder a family member and you need revenge, or what?
  - jbob2000 8y ago
    I absolutely do not hate cyclists, I am one myself. When I lived in the city, I commuted in to work on a bike. I have lived that life and know what it’s about. What I disagree with is the idea that we can build a society around cycling. I was lucky to be able to live close enough to work and be abled enough to do the ride 5 days a week. And I was lucky that, on days with bad weather, I could work from home because of my job as a software developer. As I started to look outside of my own life, I saw that not so many people were lucky. Actually, most people weren’t this lucky. How would I ride to work as a construction worker, with all my equipment and rotating job locations? How could I do this as a nurse, where I would be on my feet all day working odd hours? The more and more I considered all the ways people participate in society, the more I realized that the very narrow constraints of cycling just don’t work for most people. So sure, build the cycling lanes and bike racks, I’m not asking you to rip those up. There are many people who can cycle and we should accommodate them. But that’s it - Just accommodate them. Don’t try to uproot the core structure of our way of life. You’ll want the roadways when you get old and injured can’t ride any more.
    - village-idiot 8y ago
      Oh, so you made up my position (rip up all the roads), and then got pissed about it. Got it.

CorvusCrypto 8y ago

This isn't really a fair statement to make. Sure some people will have struggles with using a bike all winter and it may not be possible for them, but it doesn't invalidate the ideas or arguments as a whole. To assume all people for the idea are just biased and privileged based on cherry picked negative situations is just not fair. If you can't cycle then you can't cycle. Just because a few can't do something doesnt mean that this idea as a whole is invalid.

jbob2000 8y ago
The idea alone isn’t invalid in theory, but in practice. Add up all the people who can’t ride bikes for whatever reasons and you see that we’re exactly where we’re at now; some people ride, most don’t. You seem to think that it’s a small number of people who can’t ride, but I think it’s the opposite.

adrianN 8y ago

Some people can't drive due to medical conditions or because they're too young or too old. Should we stop building roads?

jbob2000 8y ago
Nope, but those people can be driven by someone else. How the hell do I drive my mother to the hospital on my bike?
- village-idiot 8y ago
  “I might occasionally need to use a car, therefore I should use it all the time no matter the context” is a very weak argument.
  - jbob2000 8y ago
    "This thing has incredible utility and practicality, therefore I use it for most transportation because it allows for flexible planning - a necessity in an ever-changing world" As opposed to a bike: "This thing has a very constrained set of operating parameters, therefore I use it occasionally when the situation fits best"
- adrianN 8y ago
  If it's an emergency you call an ambulance, if it's not an emergency you take a taxi.

always_good 8y ago

I don't understand this reasoning. People use this same logic when others suggest eating healthy and exercising. "And if someone works three jobs and has ten kids? Hmmmm? Then what?? Gotcha!" Begins to reek of someone using the condition of others to rationalize why they themselves can't be bothered to do something. Not to mention the fact that you're more privileged in a car than on a bicycle. Cycling really does attract the same nonsensical aggressive reactions as eating healthy and exercising.