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I wish Privacy was a bigger deal to people I knew. Apple, despite it's faults, is doing really incredible work at raising the bar for privacy. I know so many te

I wish Privacy was a bigger deal to people I knew. Apple, despite it's faults, is doing really incredible work at raising the bar for privacy. I know so many technical folks who just shrug when privacy comes up. It's amazing to me that people can just seem to not care. I know that awareness is rising but so many people are willing to trade a little money for something they can never reclaim. It seem so short sighted.

Gorbzel 8y ago
> I know so many technical folks who just shrug when privacy comes up. Or as many in this thread do, preach complicated (and often broken in practice) processes and tooling that might theoretically protect ones data, but require Stallman's PC levels of configuration and not actually get anything done while Apple's UX does. The fact that (for the moment) the top comments are all software engineers giving up and advocating for dumbphones is a laughable abdication of responsibility/competence/design.
cortesoft 8y ago
Well, why should they care? I hear so many hypotheticals about why the privacy invasion is bad, but I have heard very few people give real examples of actual harm. Most people aren't going to care about things until it effects them in some way.
- nyolfen 8y ago
  look at china’s social credit system
  - astura 8y ago
    Can you explain China's social credit system? This is the first I've heard of it.
    - nyolfen 8y ago
      the state tracks your economic activity and personal behavior and habits and uses them to calculate something akin to a credit score, but which is used to restrict civil rights (travel, education opportunities, etc) if you are perceived as unreliable. > From the program, the Chinese SCS will be fully implemented starting in 2020 and will be made mandatory for every citizen. Once implemented, every citizen will be rewarded, or punished, on the basis of their behavior. Some types of punishments can be: flight ban, exclusion from private schools, slow internet connection, exclusion from high prestige work, exclusion from hotel, registration on a public blacklist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
noelsusman 8y ago
It shouldn't be surprising that people are willing to give up an abstract concept in return for tangible benefits.
lederhosen 8y ago
Google left China, Apple crashes your phone when you get a Taiwanese flag (in China), who cares about privacy? Never Apple. Apple only cares about your money. If you care about privacy (I mean really care) use Replicant. (updated spelling)

Gorbzel 8y ago

> I know so many technical folks who just shrug when privacy comes up. Or as many in this thread do, preach complicated (and often broken in practice) processes and tooling that might theoretically protect ones data, but require Stallman's PC levels of configuration and not actually get anything done while Apple's UX does. The fact that (for the moment) the top comments are all software engineers giving up and advocating for dumbphones is a laughable abdication of responsibility/competence/design.

cortesoft 8y ago

Well, why should they care? I hear so many hypotheticals about why the privacy invasion is bad, but I have heard very few people give real examples of actual harm. Most people aren't going to care about things until it effects them in some way.

nyolfen 8y ago
look at china’s social credit system
- astura 8y ago
  Can you explain China's social credit system? This is the first I've heard of it.
  - nyolfen 8y ago
    the state tracks your economic activity and personal behavior and habits and uses them to calculate something akin to a credit score, but which is used to restrict civil rights (travel, education opportunities, etc) if you are perceived as unreliable. > From the program, the Chinese SCS will be fully implemented starting in 2020 and will be made mandatory for every citizen. Once implemented, every citizen will be rewarded, or punished, on the basis of their behavior. Some types of punishments can be: flight ban, exclusion from private schools, slow internet connection, exclusion from high prestige work, exclusion from hotel, registration on a public blacklist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

noelsusman 8y ago

It shouldn't be surprising that people are willing to give up an abstract concept in return for tangible benefits.

lederhosen 8y ago

Google left China, Apple crashes your phone when you get a Taiwanese flag (in China), who cares about privacy? Never Apple. Apple only cares about your money. If you care about privacy (I mean really care) use Replicant. (updated spelling)