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The question is, does it qualify as 100% driverless? I don't think so. Waymo service is partially teleoperated.

ehsankia 8y ago
Do you have a proof for that? Waymo is actually the only car that explicitly does not allow teleoperating. They specifically made this decision to bypass the risk of being hacked and taken over. The best a teleoperator can do is suggest a path to a car that is confused, and the car decides if the path is a good idea. We also don't know how often that's used. If it's rare enough, does it even matter? Does it not make it driverless if once in a while they need a little nudge? That's like saying your car isn't a real car because 1% of the time you need to take it to the mechanic.
- wpietri 8y ago
  I think you're correct on the first part; "It does have humans in remote operations centers who can communicate with passengers and guide the car in complicated situations—like a cop sending cars the wrong way down a one-way street—but they never take actual control of the driving; it’s the car’s job to stay safe." https://www.wired.com/story/waymo-self-driving-car-service-phoenix/ https://www.wired.com/story/waymo-self-driving-car-service-p... But yes, if a human has to get involved, I think it's correct to say it's not self-driving. In particular, what Wired describes is either SAE Level 3 or Level 4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Levels_of_driving_automation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Levels_of_dri... Until it's Level 5, it's not really driverless.
  - pauljurczak 8y ago
    Precisely, not Level 5. They are hiring for their remote operations through Adecco: https://www.adeccousa.com/jobs/self-driving-vehicle-operatoroperations-associate-chandler-arizona/?ID=US_EN_2_011897_396393 https://www.adeccousa.com/jobs/self-driving-vehicle-operator... . This is a job where you sit in front of the display(s) with steering wheel in your hand and foot on the pedal. Remote driving - pure and simple. Not very scalable.

Do you have a proof for that? Waymo is actually the only car that explicitly does not allow teleoperating. They specifically made this decision to bypass the risk of being hacked and taken over. The best a teleoperator can do is suggest a path to a car that is confused, and the car decides if the path is a good idea. We also don't know how often that's used. If it's rare enough, does it even matter? Does it not make it driverless if once in a while they need a little nudge? That's like saying your car isn't a real car because 1% of the time you need to take it to the mechanic.

wpietri 8y ago
I think you're correct on the first part; "It does have humans in remote operations centers who can communicate with passengers and guide the car in complicated situations—like a cop sending cars the wrong way down a one-way street—but they never take actual control of the driving; it’s the car’s job to stay safe." https://www.wired.com/story/waymo-self-driving-car-service-phoenix/ https://www.wired.com/story/waymo-self-driving-car-service-p... But yes, if a human has to get involved, I think it's correct to say it's not self-driving. In particular, what Wired describes is either SAE Level 3 or Level 4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Levels_of_driving_automation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Levels_of_dri... Until it's Level 5, it's not really driverless.
- pauljurczak 8y ago
  Precisely, not Level 5. They are hiring for their remote operations through Adecco: https://www.adeccousa.com/jobs/self-driving-vehicle-operatoroperations-associate-chandler-arizona/?ID=US_EN_2_011897_396393 https://www.adeccousa.com/jobs/self-driving-vehicle-operator... . This is a job where you sit in front of the display(s) with steering wheel in your hand and foot on the pedal. Remote driving - pure and simple. Not very scalable.