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His post and the spam of others like it are to invite enough controversy that this story disappears from the front page. And since I was obliged to post to poin

His post and the spam of others like it are to invite enough controversy that this story disappears from the front page. And since I was obliged to post to point that out, I'll continue... The UK is _not_ central. So now we instantly distrust the Swiss and Dutch secret services too. Who, we're to believe, framed these fellows yet punished them with nothing more than sending them back to Russia. If Westerners are now going to consistently favor a conspicuously monstrous dictatorship over their own defense mechanisms then their story is over. But now that this story is obviously being killed by abusing the controversy penalty algorithm, I hope the admins use it as a honey pot for locating shills.

dpwm 8y ago
> I hope the admins use it as a honey pot for locating shills. There are shills on all sides.[0] Many of the people you are calling shills are actually doubtful of the narrative put forward by a security cabal involved in one of the most pervasive and under-handed spying programmes [1]. Part of the reason for this is because that narrative is actually inconsistent with earlier versions of itself. Those who disagree with that narrative are most likely not Russian shills, they may just be able to spot an inconsistent narrative based on evidence drip-fed to the media and refuse to believe it. There are two Russian citizens who are now effectively limited to countries with no extradition treaty with the UK or its allies unless they are willing to face a trial that has no reasonable prospect of being fair. [2] > If Westerners are now going to consistently favor a conspicuously monstrous dictatorship over their own defense mechanisms then their story is over. If Westerners are going to support trial by lynch mob and trial by media with carefully-controlled evidence and a strong hint of xenophobic nationalism and a trust-our-state-sanctioned-murderers attitude then we will be the ones to suffer the consequences as the farce of the "superiority" of "western values" is truly exposed. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Threat_Research_Intelligence_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Threat_Research_Intellig... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora [2] They have had a trial by media and been found guilty.
- TomMckenny 8y ago
  "Many" genuine people are doubtful of the Swiss and Dutch arrests of Russian spies because the US unethically monitors the Internet? Arrests done solely because Switzerland really wants to start the cold war again? No, actually the pattern generally is to sow such much confusion that people no longer believe anything and end up believing all sides are the same. The pattern here specifically is to get the story of the front page which was successful.

dpwm 8y ago

> I hope the admins use it as a honey pot for locating shills. There are shills on all sides.[0] Many of the people you are calling shills are actually doubtful of the narrative put forward by a security cabal involved in one of the most pervasive and under-handed spying programmes [1]. Part of the reason for this is because that narrative is actually inconsistent with earlier versions of itself. Those who disagree with that narrative are most likely not Russian shills, they may just be able to spot an inconsistent narrative based on evidence drip-fed to the media and refuse to believe it. There are two Russian citizens who are now effectively limited to countries with no extradition treaty with the UK or its allies unless they are willing to face a trial that has no reasonable prospect of being fair. [2] > If Westerners are now going to consistently favor a conspicuously monstrous dictatorship over their own defense mechanisms then their story is over. If Westerners are going to support trial by lynch mob and trial by media with carefully-controlled evidence and a strong hint of xenophobic nationalism and a trust-our-state-sanctioned-murderers attitude then we will be the ones to suffer the consequences as the farce of the "superiority" of "western values" is truly exposed. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Threat_Research_Intelligence_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Threat_Research_Intellig... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora [2] They have had a trial by media and been found guilty.

TomMckenny 8y ago
"Many" genuine people are doubtful of the Swiss and Dutch arrests of Russian spies because the US unethically monitors the Internet? Arrests done solely because Switzerland really wants to start the cold war again? No, actually the pattern generally is to sow such much confusion that people no longer believe anything and end up believing all sides are the same. The pattern here specifically is to get the story of the front page which was successful.