At a good university, with the intent of putting in lots of extra effort on your own and going beyond the scope of the classes. I contest that the vast majorit

At a good university, with the intent of putting in lots of extra effort on your own and going beyond the scope of the classes. I contest that the vast majority cannot program effectively without the foundation you get at a university, nor without learning what knowledge is out there that you don't have yet. Also, my university had a class all about version control, legacy code, and portability. [so, suck it, other universities ;-)]