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LA has the worst traffic in the nation. They responded to traffic problems by just building more and harder, and it just made the problem worse. Which is why th

LA has the worst traffic in the nation. They responded to traffic problems by just building more and harder, and it just made the problem worse. Which is why they're starting to turn around and embrace multi-modal development. Cars are nice for some things, but they don't scale well. The bigger the city, the worse cars work.

fjabre 8y ago
Ive lived in NY and LA. I definitely had worse traffic problems in NYC than LA. Ive never seen my GPS do the sort of gymnastics it did when driving to Long Island during rush hour.
- TulliusCicero 8y ago
  https://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-us-cities-with-the-worst-traffic-2018-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-us-cities-with-the-wo... Of course, NYC is #2, so not much better. But at least there you have a viable option besides driving.
- ahoy 8y ago
  The point is that in NYC you have other transit options. In LA you (realistically) dont.
  - starpilot 8y ago
    Living carless in LA is getting better every year. Keep in mind the massive amounts of bike lanes being built, and perfect cycling weather year round. Along with the Metro and rideshare, it's pretty feasible to not have a car.
    - TulliusCicero 8y ago
      > Keep in mind the massive amounts of bike lanes being built Weather I'll give you, how many miles of bike lanes are really being built though? What's the ratio between bike lane miles vs car lane miles in the city? What percentage of the bike lanes are protected vs unprotected? Are there any protected intersections? I don't dispute that LA is taking biking more seriously, but it'll be a loooooong time before biking is even a second class citizen like walking in LA.
  - scruple 8y ago
    My next door neighbor commutes from South Orange County to DTLA and back every day via train. It's not fast, but he's been doing it 5 days a week for the last 3 years and doesn't ever complain about it when we're chatting.

fjabre 8y ago

Ive lived in NY and LA. I definitely had worse traffic problems in NYC than LA. Ive never seen my GPS do the sort of gymnastics it did when driving to Long Island during rush hour.

TulliusCicero 8y ago
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-us-cities-with-the-worst-traffic-2018-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-us-cities-with-the-wo... Of course, NYC is #2, so not much better. But at least there you have a viable option besides driving.
ahoy 8y ago
The point is that in NYC you have other transit options. In LA you (realistically) dont.
- starpilot 8y ago
  Living carless in LA is getting better every year. Keep in mind the massive amounts of bike lanes being built, and perfect cycling weather year round. Along with the Metro and rideshare, it's pretty feasible to not have a car.
  - TulliusCicero 8y ago
    > Keep in mind the massive amounts of bike lanes being built Weather I'll give you, how many miles of bike lanes are really being built though? What's the ratio between bike lane miles vs car lane miles in the city? What percentage of the bike lanes are protected vs unprotected? Are there any protected intersections? I don't dispute that LA is taking biking more seriously, but it'll be a loooooong time before biking is even a second class citizen like walking in LA.
- scruple 8y ago
  My next door neighbor commutes from South Orange County to DTLA and back every day via train. It's not fast, but he's been doing it 5 days a week for the last 3 years and doesn't ever complain about it when we're chatting.