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I actually find it a benefit that you can have a house with a yard in the middle of LA. Compare that to New York where people are stacked up on top of each oth
by fjabre 8y ago
I actually find it a benefit that you can have a house with a yard in the middle of LA.
Compare that to New York where people are stacked up on top of each other like ants.
For the cost of a studio apartment in Manhattan one could rent a free standing house in Los Angeles and with year round beautiful weather.
- jayd16 8y ago>For the cost of a studio apartment in Manhattan one could rent a free standing house in Los Angeles and with year round beautiful weather. Shhh. This is why Silverlake is full of New Yorkers now. If anyone asks, its terrible here.
- zjaffee 8y agoIt blows my mind that Silverlake is attractive to former New Yorkers in the way that it is. It's far less walkable than the nearby neighborhoods that are just as trendy from Los Feliz to Highland Park.
- TheTrotters 8y agoBut then you have no choice but to get everywhere by car. It's an awful life for some people.
- fjabre 8y agoNot true. Many of these neighborhoods are extremely walkable. I used to live in one called West Hollywood
- trixie_ 8y agoYou mean people without a car? Because the freedom of having a car and being able to go literally anywhere relatively quickly is pretty great. I've lived in both LA and NYC for a number of years. In both places you can easily live 10 minutes from where you work, or an hour away. Where you live/work is up to you.
- michaelchisari 8y agorelatively quickly I don't know what Los Angeles you live in.
- trixie_ 8y agoEvery workplace in LA has housing within a 20 minute rush hour commute. If you don't want to live close by that's on you. When I do drive places other than work it's not during rush hour so the traffic isn't that bad. NYC isn't any different and often even if you live close by the commute can still easily be 40 minutes between walking to stations, waiting for trains, and changing trains. Personally I'd rather be stuck in my car than stuck in a train.
- michaelchisari 8y agoPersonally I'd rather be stuck in my car than stuck in a train. Agree to disagree.
- TulliusCicero 8y agoLA has the worst traffic in the nation. They responded to traffic problems by just building more and harder, and it just made the problem worse. Which is why they're starting to turn around and embrace multi-modal development. Cars are nice for some things, but they don't scale well. The bigger the city, the worse cars work.
- fjabre 8y agoIve lived in NY and LA. I definitely had worse traffic problems in NYC than LA. Ive never seen my GPS do the sort of gymnastics it did when driving to Long Island during rush hour.
- TulliusCicero 8y agohttps://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-us-cities-with-the-worst-traffic-2018-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-us-cities-with-the-wo... Of course, NYC is #2, so not much better. But at least there you have a viable option besides driving.
- jazzyjackson 8y agoI thought this, but it really only holds true if you work in a different neighborhood you live (likely tho it is) I've spent some time in Marina del Ray and Long Beach, and they're walkable cities in their own right if you ignore the rest of LA (my preferred strategy)
- fjabre 8y agoAnd isolated away from the LA sprawl Long Beach and Marina/Venice/SM are sizable cities unto themselves. It's a common misconception. Yes LA is not walkable but many cities inside of it are and are some of the most walkable places I've visited in the US.
- gamblor956 8y agoMarina Del Rey and Venice are actually just neighborhoods of the city of LA. Santa Monica and Long Beach are their own cities.
- zjaffee 8y agoMDR isn't a neighborhood in LA either, it's technically an unincorporated part of LA county.
- CalRobert 8y agoWhen I lived there I thought it was too damn hot at least half of the year, and I was in Santa Monica. It was a bloodbath for cyclists and pedestrians, too.
- fjabre 8y agoYes but you were in Santa Monica one of the most touristed places in California. South bay sounds more your speed. Hot by your standards maybe and also has been hotter in recent years but generally speaking most people find Southern California to have the best climate in the US and also in the world.
- emodendroket 8y agoI like the passion for your hometown, but saying "most people find Southern California to have the best climate in the US and also in the world" may be overstating the case a bit. I'm sure I'm not the only person who prefers living in a wetter, more temperate climate.
- lotsofpulp 8y agoI have yet to meet someone who likes humidity, which is what really matters in my opinion. I would also assume most people like sunny weather, so anywhere with low humidity, sunshine, and mild invariable weather is probably high up on most people's list, that I've met at least. West coast of the US in general feels nicer to most people I've met. What is more temperate than socal? Maybe Cape Town and Nairobi, but it would be tough for me to come up with many places.
- emodendroket 8y agoI'm using "temperate climate" here to mean one with four distinct seasons, rather than one that is hot or cold all year. I also don't really like dry weather (thirsty and sore eyes all the time) and am not that big on sunshine (besides getting hot I get sunburn very easily). Basically my ideal day is New England autumn, maybe with a light drizzle. I guess I could see myself liking the PNW but Socal is not for me.
- emodendroket 8y agoSure, I am a suburbanite and I understand the appeal of that. But I felt like it was a bad mix in that you still had city-like problems, but nevertheless had to drive everywhere in awful traffic. Maybe it'd be different if I were living there rather than visiting.
- fjabre 8y agoDepends on where you were living. Some neighborhoods are very walkable. LA like any major city has good and bad spots all over.
- emodendroket 8y agoI would call a city walkable if you can get around the city or at least the "major" parts of it without driving, not if there are isolated pockets you can walk around in.
- fjabre 8y agoAnd I would as some neighborhoods in LA are the size of smaller and midsize cities elsewhere. I grew up in Boston which is extremely walkable, yet LA has several walkable cities close to the size of Boston within its city limits.
- gamblor956 8y agoYou can get around LA without driving. Public transportation exists here. The bus network is actually quite good (coverage-wise) if a bit slow due to traffic. As for walking, you could walk from downtown to Hollywood, Pasadena, or Santa Monica if you're willing to walk that far (9, 10, and 14 miles, respectively).
- emodendroket 8y agoBesides practicality I also felt like it wouldn't be a great idea to walk around downtown at night.
- baybal2 8y agoTo you argument: When choosing in between huge, unaffordable house, and a luxury apartment. Are really sure you will chose the former?
- jimmaswell 8y agothey said the price was the same
- baybal2 8y agoYes, when that's the case, will you?
- jimmaswell 8y agoOf course I'd rather live in a house than an apartment if the price is the same.
- ajsharp 8y agoYea maybe 6 years ago, but today this is no longer true. Speaking as someone who rents a free-standing house in LA, and has looked at what renting in New York would cost. LA is no longer cheaper, as a good portion of New Yorkers have migrated in pursuit of this exact ideal.
- fjabre 8y agoYou certainly will get more space for the money in LA at least. While LA rents have increased dramatically the last several years it does not rival cost of living in NYC from my experience.
- totalrobe 8y agoI haven't looked recently, but at least a couple years ago salaries in LA were terrible compared to the COL.
- zjaffee 8y agoLA is considered the least affordable city in the country (incomes are much lower than they are in NYC), but in nominal terms it's still true that you get more in LA than NYC.
- bscphil 8y agoOf course - the whole point of talking about zoning in LA is that many people believe you're getting an unfair advantage over people who have to rent because you have the money to afford a house. Most people do not.
- Redoubts 8y ago> Compare that to New York where people are stacked up on top of each other like ants. What a ridiculous thing to say.