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The problem is, you're ignoring false positives. Reports of potential threats happen frequently. The overwhelming majority of them are false positives. > Did y
by lionhearted 16y ago
The problem is, you're ignoring false positives. Reports of potential threats happen frequently. The overwhelming majority of them are false positives.
> Did you even read the article? ... An actual identified terrorist showing up at a US flight school.
Did I read the article? "A foreign intelligence service promptly reported that he had connections with a foreign terrorist group" -> Not exactly an actual identified terrorist.
"Had connections with a foreign terrorist group" could be anything. And which foreign intelligence service? Britain? Israel? South Africa? Mexico?
In retrospect, it's obvious, sure. But at the time, not so much. He wasn't a convicted criminal. He was someone who was probably friends with another guy they suspected, or went to the same mosque. If he was someone with a criminal record, of course he'd have gotten a more thorough treatment.
> The agents who had him in custody were begging for permission to investigate what was on his laptop and they were denied.
Probably those damned civil rights and limited search and seizure things.
> The team that was charged with the job of testing airport security were actively prevented from doing their jobs
Again, your read of the article is questionable. They identified weaknesses in the system, and no resources were spent on those weaknesses. But there's other weaknesses too, lots of them. Yes, in retrospect, it seems obvious that there were weaknesses. But there's many potential targets, and there's not an unlimited budget. Yeah, after things go wrong it's very easy to say something should have been done beforehand.
> I don't see how anyone could brush this off as just "20/20 hindsight".
It is 20/20 hindsight. There's thousands of false positives. The article is written with an assured tone because they know how history happened. How many times have there been warnings of an imminent North Korean strike into South Korea? Dozens? I do know the stats on Israeli warnings about their neighbors mobilizing near them - over two dozen times in the last 50 years, full military mobilizations... how many became invasions? 2 out of those 24+?
There'll probably be clues after any bad event happens that it was going to happen... that doesn't necessarily mean anyone was being negligent. Also, a little more friendliness and less snark when you comment? Something like, "I disagree with your interpretation" instead of "Did you even read the article?
- Andrew_Quentin 16y agoYou seem to suggest that it is all due to hindsight. Much of that suggestion is of course your own opinion from thin air as I assume you do not have any experience in intelligence service work. Even if you do, do you not think that at least some of the things mentioned in the article are mistakes even if the person is placed in the position they would have been before the attacks and used only his foresight?
- runT1ME 16y agoUnfortunately this doesn't look to be an issue you've thoroughly researched. Other agencies and investigations got much more specific than 'plane into WTC'. Look into Able Danger, there is some interesting information on how closely they identified the future hijackers but were prevented from following up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger#Comments_by_members_of_the_Able_Danger_team http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger#Comments_by_members...
- GiraffeNecktie 16y ago>"Had connections with a foreign terrorist group" could be anything. And which foreign intelligence service? Britain? Israel? South Africa? Mexico?< French authorities began monitoring Moussaoui in 1996 when they observed him with Islamic extremists in London. In 1998, he attended the Khalden training camp in Afghanistan, allegedly returning the next year as well. In September 2000, he visited Malaysia and stayed in a condominium owned by Yazid Sufaat who, in October 2000, signed letters identifying Moussaoui as a representative of his company. Two of the September 11 hijackers lived in the same condominium in January 2000. Jemaah Islamiah leader Riduan Ismauddin sent cohort Yazid Sufaat to provide Moussaoui with $35,000 and travel documents in Malaysia in October. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui#Militant_training http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui#Militant_tra...