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My 2 cents is that Amazon isn't a major cause. There's a few things going on(1): - exploding drug addiction and related mental health issues - Seattle does a

My 2 cents is that Amazon isn't a major cause. There's a few things going on(1): - exploding drug addiction and related mental health issues - Seattle does a remarkably crappy job of assigning the low income housing we build and/or contract for. Too many people get it who shouldn't qualify. Too many non-profits cherry pick their clients. Etc, etc. - It's super hard to get coherent services out of the system. Which makes it self-selecting in the sense of concentrating the worst cases. Amazon, to a certain degree, was/is part of running up the price of apartments and homes. Some homelessness is a consequence, but mostly that pushed people further (or totally out) of the area. I'm not at all convinced that if we raise 2x the money, we'll spend it intelligently enough to make a difference here. (1)My partner worked in the area homeless system and I'm getting a lot of my info from that.

emodendroket 8y ago
> - exploding drug addiction and related mental health issues I think cause and effect are backwards here. Low wages and high housing prices seem like they'd naturally lead to homelessness and rates of drug addiction and mental illness among the homeless, although very high compared to the general population, are nowhere near as high as people would like to think.
- lostmsu 8y ago
  We are talking about sentient people. Wages and housing prices may be an excuse, but they don't shove drugs down people's throats. Mental illness - may be. But one needs to know if it's the cause, or simply an exposing factor.
  - emodendroket 8y ago
    I don't think it's even controversial to say that people can turn to substance abuse due to adverse exogenous circumstances.
    - lostmsu 8y ago
      It is controversial by definition, because you just disagreed.
      - emodendroket 8y ago
        It's not controversial to say the sky is blue because you can turn up a couple people who say it is green. You've really never heard of people turning to drink or drugs because of, day, the death of a family member? You can't see why someone who sleeps rough might seek escape through psychoactive drugs?
        lostmsu 8y ago
        People turn to drugs because they decide to. You might blame circumstances, but I will always blame people.
        emodendroket 8y ago
        They are not literally forced to take drugs, but the idea of escaping reality is obviously more appealing if reality is unending misery.
  - throwaway2048 8y ago
    You don't have to be a drug addict to be homeless, the majority of homeless people are not, nor are the majority (or even a substantial minority) seriously mentally ill.
  - midwestcode 8y ago
    I think these people are referring to those visible on the streets, and not living out of their car or in the shadows of homelessness. Oftentimes in Seattle the people who are visible are unfortunately in the worst shape, mentally or otherwise.
- hfdgiutdryg 8y ago
  rates of drug addiction and mental illness among the homeless, although very high compared to the general population, are nowhere near as high as people would like to think. Probably because nobody notices the clean, sane person living out of their car. We probably need better terminology, like functional vs. dysfunctional homeless, or something.
  - emodendroket 8y ago
    I feel like the reason it's so prevalent is less a question of terminology and more a question of absolution -- if, after all, the homeless have some immutable characteristic that makes them homeless, there's nothing society could have done for them.
rifung 8y ago
> - exploding drug addiction and related mental health issues Unless there's another reason we would expect mental health issues to increase I don't see why this would lead to more homelessness. I also talked to one of the people in charge of a non profit for providing housing to the homeless and he was saying how the longer people stay homeless, the less likely it is that they will ever be able to integrate with society again. I am much more inclined to believe homelessness is causing the mental health issues than vice versa. Or at least I don't see why Seattle's homeless problem would be caused by greater rates of mental illness than previously seen and compared to that of other cities.

emodendroket 8y ago

> - exploding drug addiction and related mental health issues I think cause and effect are backwards here. Low wages and high housing prices seem like they'd naturally lead to homelessness and rates of drug addiction and mental illness among the homeless, although very high compared to the general population, are nowhere near as high as people would like to think.

lostmsu 8y ago
We are talking about sentient people. Wages and housing prices may be an excuse, but they don't shove drugs down people's throats. Mental illness - may be. But one needs to know if it's the cause, or simply an exposing factor.
- emodendroket 8y ago
  I don't think it's even controversial to say that people can turn to substance abuse due to adverse exogenous circumstances.
  - lostmsu 8y ago
    It is controversial by definition, because you just disagreed.
    - emodendroket 8y ago
      It's not controversial to say the sky is blue because you can turn up a couple people who say it is green. You've really never heard of people turning to drink or drugs because of, day, the death of a family member? You can't see why someone who sleeps rough might seek escape through psychoactive drugs?
      - lostmsu 8y ago
        People turn to drugs because they decide to. You might blame circumstances, but I will always blame people.
        emodendroket 8y ago
        They are not literally forced to take drugs, but the idea of escaping reality is obviously more appealing if reality is unending misery.
- throwaway2048 8y ago
  You don't have to be a drug addict to be homeless, the majority of homeless people are not, nor are the majority (or even a substantial minority) seriously mentally ill.
- midwestcode 8y ago
  I think these people are referring to those visible on the streets, and not living out of their car or in the shadows of homelessness. Oftentimes in Seattle the people who are visible are unfortunately in the worst shape, mentally or otherwise.
hfdgiutdryg 8y ago
rates of drug addiction and mental illness among the homeless, although very high compared to the general population, are nowhere near as high as people would like to think. Probably because nobody notices the clean, sane person living out of their car. We probably need better terminology, like functional vs. dysfunctional homeless, or something.
- emodendroket 8y ago
  I feel like the reason it's so prevalent is less a question of terminology and more a question of absolution -- if, after all, the homeless have some immutable characteristic that makes them homeless, there's nothing society could have done for them.

rifung 8y ago

> - exploding drug addiction and related mental health issues Unless there's another reason we would expect mental health issues to increase I don't see why this would lead to more homelessness. I also talked to one of the people in charge of a non profit for providing housing to the homeless and he was saying how the longer people stay homeless, the less likely it is that they will ever be able to integrate with society again. I am much more inclined to believe homelessness is causing the mental health issues than vice versa. Or at least I don't see why Seattle's homeless problem would be caused by greater rates of mental illness than previously seen and compared to that of other cities.