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"There's no reason anyone has to respect ethno-nationalist views against immigrants." There are plenty of reasons to be against the current immigration regime

"There's no reason anyone has to respect ethno-nationalist views against immigrants." There are plenty of reasons to be against the current immigration regime that don't involve ethno-nationalism but it's nearly impossible to forward any such arguments without being accused of being an ethno-nationalist.

whack 8y ago
It sure doesn't help when our President says Mexican immigrants are "drug dealers and rapists", and wants to cut off immigration from "shithole countries".
- wemdyjreichert 8y ago
  *hole countries was anecdotal and reported by someone who did disagree very much with Mr. Trump. Just pointing out it's unproven.
  - whack 8y ago
    You'd have to be extremely biased in your sources, to not believe that Trump said some variant of the above. https://www.vox.com/2018/1/12/16885312/trump-shithole-countries-denial https://www.vox.com/2018/1/12/16885312/trump-shithole-countr... Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) told the Post and Courier that his South Carolina colleague Sen. Lindsey Graham, who attended the meeting, told him Trump’s reported comments were “basically accurate.” And Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), who also didn’t attend the meeting, told the Washington Post he heard about Trump’s comments before they went public, and they matched the later reports. https://www.vox.com/2018/1/16/16897016/trump-shithole-shithouse-countries https://www.vox.com/2018/1/16/16897016/trump-shithole-shitho... Anonymous Republican sources have pushed the story that Trump in fact used the phrase “shithouse countries.” According to the Washington Post’s Josh Dawsey, Robert Costa, and Ashley Parker, Sens. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and David Perdue (R-GA) told the White House that’s what they remember Trump saying in the meeting. Trump has apparently decided that the controversy is hurting him politically, so his allies are using this minor discrepancy to justify public denials that he said “shithole.”
danharaj 8y ago
Like what?
- qwerty11111 8y ago
  Obviously controversial, but this could be one of the reasons some may fear immigration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaul...
  - hef19898 8y ago
    Which is one of the worst examples ever. It was so highly politizised at the time. But you have point, it actually helped to form a certain narrative and a lot of people followed that narrative.
    - qwerty11111 8y ago
      How is it a bad example? From Wikipedia itself... > On 7 June, a Federal Criminal Police Office report confirmed that most of the perpetrators were of North African origin and had arrived in Germany during the European migrant crisis. Investigative results about the perpetrators were congruent with witnesses' statements.[48]
      - hef19898 8y ago
        Because it was one particular case and the numbers have been looked at isolated. That and the fact that the first reports have been exagerated. Not to even speak about the way right wing groups used these reports... I'll leave it to you to research crime numbers like rape, theft andn such for carneval in Cologne or the Oktoberfest in Munich. Because These are the numbers that provide the context. Disclaimer: That does not in the slightest way imply that any of These cases are defendable, the least of all rape. Still, context helps to prevent knee-jerk reactions.
  - OxO4 8y ago
    So because of one example, you are attributing criminal behavior to a whole group of people? Sounds like textbook racism to me.

whack 8y ago

It sure doesn't help when our President says Mexican immigrants are "drug dealers and rapists", and wants to cut off immigration from "shithole countries".

wemdyjreichert 8y ago
*hole countries was anecdotal and reported by someone who did disagree very much with Mr. Trump. Just pointing out it's unproven.
- whack 8y ago
  You'd have to be extremely biased in your sources, to not believe that Trump said some variant of the above. https://www.vox.com/2018/1/12/16885312/trump-shithole-countries-denial https://www.vox.com/2018/1/12/16885312/trump-shithole-countr... Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) told the Post and Courier that his South Carolina colleague Sen. Lindsey Graham, who attended the meeting, told him Trump’s reported comments were “basically accurate.” And Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), who also didn’t attend the meeting, told the Washington Post he heard about Trump’s comments before they went public, and they matched the later reports. https://www.vox.com/2018/1/16/16897016/trump-shithole-shithouse-countries https://www.vox.com/2018/1/16/16897016/trump-shithole-shitho... Anonymous Republican sources have pushed the story that Trump in fact used the phrase “shithouse countries.” According to the Washington Post’s Josh Dawsey, Robert Costa, and Ashley Parker, Sens. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and David Perdue (R-GA) told the White House that’s what they remember Trump saying in the meeting. Trump has apparently decided that the controversy is hurting him politically, so his allies are using this minor discrepancy to justify public denials that he said “shithole.”

danharaj 8y ago

Like what?

qwerty11111 8y ago
Obviously controversial, but this could be one of the reasons some may fear immigration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaul...
- hef19898 8y ago
  Which is one of the worst examples ever. It was so highly politizised at the time. But you have point, it actually helped to form a certain narrative and a lot of people followed that narrative.
  - qwerty11111 8y ago
    How is it a bad example? From Wikipedia itself... > On 7 June, a Federal Criminal Police Office report confirmed that most of the perpetrators were of North African origin and had arrived in Germany during the European migrant crisis. Investigative results about the perpetrators were congruent with witnesses' statements.[48]
    - hef19898 8y ago
      Because it was one particular case and the numbers have been looked at isolated. That and the fact that the first reports have been exagerated. Not to even speak about the way right wing groups used these reports... I'll leave it to you to research crime numbers like rape, theft andn such for carneval in Cologne or the Oktoberfest in Munich. Because These are the numbers that provide the context. Disclaimer: That does not in the slightest way imply that any of These cases are defendable, the least of all rape. Still, context helps to prevent knee-jerk reactions.
- OxO4 8y ago
  So because of one example, you are attributing criminal behavior to a whole group of people? Sounds like textbook racism to me.