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Aaand that is just another example of what OP is talking about ;)

didibus 8y ago
Can you explain how so? I guess I'm putting forward two points: 1) Being a hateful person with a desire to oppress innocents seems to aptly qualify for the label of monster. 2) Those who equate republicans with monsters do so because of the republicans' current active support and promotion of hateful people and their desire to oppress the innocents. Nothing here seems unfair to me, or irrational. I feel it all simply follows. Oppressors are labeled as monsters, groups that are represented by oppressors and support oppression have their members labeled as monsters. The logical follow up, is that if you yourself are not supportive of oppression, then disassociate yourself with the groups that are? Join another group that represents yourself more accurately? Form a new group which represents yourself more accurately? Or attempt to change the group so it becomes more accurately representative of yourself? Why, if you are against the oppression, would you continue to support the group otherwise? There's only two reason I can think of. Because you're a partisan, and you just feel an irrational sense of belonging, like if it was a big family you are part of, and this is just the clan you belong too no matter what. Or because you are okay with the oppression put forward by the group if it means you also get X, Y, Z, etc. Where X, Y, Z are other policies like say banning abortion or maintaining gun rights.
- nerdnumerouno 8y ago
  You are a mentally ill and insolent. Take a hike.
- rphlx 8y ago
  The view that someone is automatically a monster or an "oppressor" because they voted Republican is wrong and offensive in the extreme. It is possible to vote Republican without wholly supporting - let alone personally imitating - everything that Trump does, just as it is possible to vote Democrat without wholly supporting everything Obama did. You vote for the party that gives you the most of what you want and has a reasonable chance of being elected. Rarely if ever will you be entirely satisfied with their personal behavior or policies once in office.
  - didibus 8y ago
    > The view that someone is automatically a monster or an "oppressor" because they voted Republican is wrong and offensive in the extreme. Yes, I agree and that's not what I'm saying at all. The view I'm talking about is that the Republican party has associated itself with such people, that a number of their ranks is composed of such people, and that some of their agenda is supportive of such people. Thus if you identify yourself as a Republican, it's normal to wonder if you could be one of those people. So it's the other way around. Voting Republican does not make you a monster, but monsters make up the Republican party. Bigots are rallying behind the Republican party, and it seems to be letting them in with open arms. This in turn has the effect of having people question the true values of all Republicans. When someone then tells me they're Republican, I need to ask... Oh, so, are you racist? Or sexist? Or bigot? Or anti-semitist? Etc. And that's because the Republican party has chosen to blur the lines. This was not always the case. It's a new phenomenon. > You vote for the party that gives you the most of what you want and has a reasonable chance of being elected Well, sure, but I feel you need to consider the pros and the cons. Otherwise it's a deal with the devil.

Can you explain how so? I guess I'm putting forward two points: 1) Being a hateful person with a desire to oppress innocents seems to aptly qualify for the label of monster. 2) Those who equate republicans with monsters do so because of the republicans' current active support and promotion of hateful people and their desire to oppress the innocents. Nothing here seems unfair to me, or irrational. I feel it all simply follows. Oppressors are labeled as monsters, groups that are represented by oppressors and support oppression have their members labeled as monsters. The logical follow up, is that if you yourself are not supportive of oppression, then disassociate yourself with the groups that are? Join another group that represents yourself more accurately? Form a new group which represents yourself more accurately? Or attempt to change the group so it becomes more accurately representative of yourself? Why, if you are against the oppression, would you continue to support the group otherwise? There's only two reason I can think of. Because you're a partisan, and you just feel an irrational sense of belonging, like if it was a big family you are part of, and this is just the clan you belong too no matter what. Or because you are okay with the oppression put forward by the group if it means you also get X, Y, Z, etc. Where X, Y, Z are other policies like say banning abortion or maintaining gun rights.

nerdnumerouno 8y ago
You are a mentally ill and insolent. Take a hike.
rphlx 8y ago
The view that someone is automatically a monster or an "oppressor" because they voted Republican is wrong and offensive in the extreme. It is possible to vote Republican without wholly supporting - let alone personally imitating - everything that Trump does, just as it is possible to vote Democrat without wholly supporting everything Obama did. You vote for the party that gives you the most of what you want and has a reasonable chance of being elected. Rarely if ever will you be entirely satisfied with their personal behavior or policies once in office.
- didibus 8y ago
  > The view that someone is automatically a monster or an "oppressor" because they voted Republican is wrong and offensive in the extreme. Yes, I agree and that's not what I'm saying at all. The view I'm talking about is that the Republican party has associated itself with such people, that a number of their ranks is composed of such people, and that some of their agenda is supportive of such people. Thus if you identify yourself as a Republican, it's normal to wonder if you could be one of those people. So it's the other way around. Voting Republican does not make you a monster, but monsters make up the Republican party. Bigots are rallying behind the Republican party, and it seems to be letting them in with open arms. This in turn has the effect of having people question the true values of all Republicans. When someone then tells me they're Republican, I need to ask... Oh, so, are you racist? Or sexist? Or bigot? Or anti-semitist? Etc. And that's because the Republican party has chosen to blur the lines. This was not always the case. It's a new phenomenon. > You vote for the party that gives you the most of what you want and has a reasonable chance of being elected Well, sure, but I feel you need to consider the pros and the cons. Otherwise it's a deal with the devil.