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Why? Anyways instead of paper ballots, use silver tokens with as many boxes as there are candidates. Then just weigh the boxes and don’t bother counting. (A

Why? Anyways instead of paper ballots, use silver tokens with as many boxes as there are candidates. Then just weigh the boxes and don’t bother counting. (A 1oz silver token would cost $30 to fake)

IncRnd 8y ago
You should have more than a single threat in your threat model. In addition to counterfeit tokens you may want to take a look at theft of tokens either during or between elections.
StevenRayOrr 8y ago
You might be interested in reading about the history of the Australian ballot[0] to get a sense of we vote the way with do ("we" being fairly loose in this case, as many places outside the US use the Australian ballot -- and some American don't). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot#United_States
siruncledrew 8y ago
“Logistically impossible” -> it’s more work than it’s worth to us.
Klathmon 8y ago
How would you prevent a corrupt voting offical giving silver-painted lead tokens to anyone wearing a Democrat hat? How would you verify that the weighing machine isn't tampered with? Paper voting is simple, anyone can check a box. it's easy to secure, you can have hundreds of people who all don't trust one another watching a ballot box all day. And it's easy to verify, those same hundreds of people can all count along when tallying. Rich, poor, white, black, literate, illiterate, young, old. Everyone can participate and can validate with a basic paper system, and you'll never conveniently have broken machines or run out of tokens in some areas that predominantly vote one way or the other.
rleigh 8y ago
It lacks reasonable audit capability. Paper ballots can be inspected and recounted; tampering and ballot stuffing can be observed. Tokens in a particular bin can't be audited in the same way. And it may also lack anonymity--unlike the folded paper vote, you could be observed putting the token into a particular slot.

Why? Anyways instead of paper ballots, use silver tokens with as many boxes as there are candidates. Then just weigh the boxes and don’t bother counting. (A 1oz silver token would cost $30 to fake)

IncRnd 8y ago

You should have more than a single threat in your threat model. In addition to counterfeit tokens you may want to take a look at theft of tokens either during or between elections.

StevenRayOrr 8y ago

You might be interested in reading about the history of the Australian ballot[0] to get a sense of we vote the way with do ("we" being fairly loose in this case, as many places outside the US use the Australian ballot -- and some American don't). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot#United_States

siruncledrew 8y ago

“Logistically impossible” -> it’s more work than it’s worth to us.

Klathmon 8y ago

How would you prevent a corrupt voting offical giving silver-painted lead tokens to anyone wearing a Democrat hat? How would you verify that the weighing machine isn't tampered with? Paper voting is simple, anyone can check a box. it's easy to secure, you can have hundreds of people who all don't trust one another watching a ballot box all day. And it's easy to verify, those same hundreds of people can all count along when tallying. Rich, poor, white, black, literate, illiterate, young, old. Everyone can participate and can validate with a basic paper system, and you'll never conveniently have broken machines or run out of tokens in some areas that predominantly vote one way or the other.

rleigh 8y ago

It lacks reasonable audit capability. Paper ballots can be inspected and recounted; tampering and ballot stuffing can be observed. Tokens in a particular bin can't be audited in the same way. And it may also lack anonymity--unlike the folded paper vote, you could be observed putting the token into a particular slot.