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I have no comment on the content of this, since I don't want to get fired for saying anything remotely close to what I think. I am kind of curious how this vide

I have no comment on the content of this, since I don't want to get fired for saying anything remotely close to what I think. I am kind of curious how this video was obtained however.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago
After the Damore thing, Breitbart posted several anonymous interviews with conservative Googlers and Xooglers, so it seems like they've cultivated a group of contacts there. One of them specifically even discussed this exact TGIF and what it was like. I suspect one of those contacts leaked this to them as well.
- dmitrygr 8y ago
  Officially, the penalty for leaking is termination. I cannot imagine anyone who'd risk that.
  - ocdtrekkie 8y ago
    There's been a large number of leakers at Google over the last year, so there's definitely people who find Google's misdeeds worth publicizing, even at personal risk. And that's on both sides of the political spectrum. As I mentioned, several conservative Googlers have already talked about internal matters with Breitbart. Damore's memo was an internal-only document that was leaked on the liberal side. There were leaks about Project Maven and the censorship program Google's developing for China. Though I would have to wonder how much easier this leak would be to catch. Google would "merely" need to identify who has somewhat-recently accessed this video file, and as an older recording, the number of viewers has certainly tapered off significantly. To be honest, I'm seriously curious, are you saying your employment with Google is more important than what you think is right or good? While personally, I wouldn't leak from an employer I felt was doing bad things, I also wouldn't need to be terminated: I'd walk out the door.
  - cmrdporcupine 8y ago
    I can -- leaks seem to be becoming the norm rather than the exception. The company has seemingly gotten too large for the remarkably open culture we had when I joined. As a Canadian I don't have a strong opinion on the content of this video, though I remember the event. But I do have a strong opinion about leaks/leakers. It's not that I want what we do to be 'secret' -- it's that I want an internal work culture that is open and I want to know what's going on across the company and have issues discussed out in the open. Finally, no I am not surprised people leak even with risk of termination. There's lots of jobs in the valley for people to switch to.
rdtsc 8y ago
It is interesting that you've been downvoted (as your post is gray when I saw it), just for questioning that you might face repercussions for adding a comment. Which kind of proves your point I suppose.
- gizmo686 8y ago
  All it proves is that comments that contribute nothing get downvoted. Especially when they explicitly draw attention to the fact that they are not contributing.
  - rdtsc 8y ago
    Hmm I thought it nicely contributed a point that then was proved as well. Here is someone who supposedly works at Google which encourages "to bring your whole self to work" and where people are "supporting and sharing in open dialog" (paraphrasing from the video) afraid to make a comment on the video on a "hacker" news forum for fear of retaliation. This is not even a Google owned platform just some external forum. So they think someone will scour the web, find their comment, take down their name, head over to Google's HR / thought-police dept., report them and they'd face retaliation. Seems on point with discussion at hand to me.
  - paganel 8y ago
    > All it proves is that comments that contribute nothing get downvoted. I actually think it contributed a lot to the discussion, hence why I upvoted it (even though it still looks grey to me now). More to the point, the OP seems to be a conservative Google employee who feels his/her job is threatened by the internal company culture at Google, internal company culture which can be seen in the the video itself.

I have no comment on the content of this, since I don't want to get fired for saying anything remotely close to what I think. I am kind of curious how this video was obtained however.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago

After the Damore thing, Breitbart posted several anonymous interviews with conservative Googlers and Xooglers, so it seems like they've cultivated a group of contacts there. One of them specifically even discussed this exact TGIF and what it was like. I suspect one of those contacts leaked this to them as well.

dmitrygr 8y ago
Officially, the penalty for leaking is termination. I cannot imagine anyone who'd risk that.
- ocdtrekkie 8y ago
  There's been a large number of leakers at Google over the last year, so there's definitely people who find Google's misdeeds worth publicizing, even at personal risk. And that's on both sides of the political spectrum. As I mentioned, several conservative Googlers have already talked about internal matters with Breitbart. Damore's memo was an internal-only document that was leaked on the liberal side. There were leaks about Project Maven and the censorship program Google's developing for China. Though I would have to wonder how much easier this leak would be to catch. Google would "merely" need to identify who has somewhat-recently accessed this video file, and as an older recording, the number of viewers has certainly tapered off significantly. To be honest, I'm seriously curious, are you saying your employment with Google is more important than what you think is right or good? While personally, I wouldn't leak from an employer I felt was doing bad things, I also wouldn't need to be terminated: I'd walk out the door.
- cmrdporcupine 8y ago
  I can -- leaks seem to be becoming the norm rather than the exception. The company has seemingly gotten too large for the remarkably open culture we had when I joined. As a Canadian I don't have a strong opinion on the content of this video, though I remember the event. But I do have a strong opinion about leaks/leakers. It's not that I want what we do to be 'secret' -- it's that I want an internal work culture that is open and I want to know what's going on across the company and have issues discussed out in the open. Finally, no I am not surprised people leak even with risk of termination. There's lots of jobs in the valley for people to switch to.

rdtsc 8y ago

It is interesting that you've been downvoted (as your post is gray when I saw it), just for questioning that you might face repercussions for adding a comment. Which kind of proves your point I suppose.

gizmo686 8y ago
All it proves is that comments that contribute nothing get downvoted. Especially when they explicitly draw attention to the fact that they are not contributing.
- rdtsc 8y ago
  Hmm I thought it nicely contributed a point that then was proved as well. Here is someone who supposedly works at Google which encourages "to bring your whole self to work" and where people are "supporting and sharing in open dialog" (paraphrasing from the video) afraid to make a comment on the video on a "hacker" news forum for fear of retaliation. This is not even a Google owned platform just some external forum. So they think someone will scour the web, find their comment, take down their name, head over to Google's HR / thought-police dept., report them and they'd face retaliation. Seems on point with discussion at hand to me.
- paganel 8y ago
  > All it proves is that comments that contribute nothing get downvoted. I actually think it contributed a lot to the discussion, hence why I upvoted it (even though it still looks grey to me now). More to the point, the OP seems to be a conservative Google employee who feels his/her job is threatened by the internal company culture at Google, internal company culture which can be seen in the the video itself.