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Look, I think the grass is always greener on the other side. Whether you think you can ignore Trump or not, the fact is immigration into the US is hard. It was

Look, I think the grass is always greener on the other side. Whether you think you can ignore Trump or not, the fact is immigration into the US is hard. It was hard before and it's probably harder now given the current administration's views on migrants. I moved to the US back in the 2000's and it took me years, I finally was lucky enough to find a contact at a university to sponsor a H1B. That now seems virtually impossible to get unless you work for one of those giant Indian IT companies. Also, you might be increasingly frustrated with the state of the EU, but it ain't all roses in the US. I for one, value highly the social safety nets other countries provide. Without being incendiary, things like getting healthcare in the US isn't so straightforward. We get that the US is still streaks ahead when it comes to innovation and capitalism. But there's so many other considerations important to gauging one's quality of life. In the end, is living in the EU really a hot mess? What about a different part of the EU?

eu_moron 8y ago
Thats the thing. I dont think I want to put years of my life just to immigrate to US. Earlier it was less difficult ( surely not easy ). But nothing of interest happens here. Everybody just wants to preserve the old (old businesses, old ways of thiking) and people are more keen on justifying why what they do is good (and better than US ). For example in Germany people are peoud of their paperwork.
- wprapido 8y ago
  Check out some Eastern European countries. Romania, Estonia, Czech, are very capitalist, business minded, tech driven. Actually, there is a great pool of Libertarians across the region. If it weren't for Brexit, the UK would make a great choice. Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Luxembourg, are also decent options.
- Mave83 8y ago
  I don't think this is correct. I'm a serial entrepreneur and innovation is something that Germany does on a regular day to day basis. Why don't you just create your own company in a field you like? In the EU it's easy to do so and there are hundreds of accelerator programs that help doing so. Innovation is nothing US exclusive. For example, just look how many Israel companies provide innovative products to the US tech companies.
  - eu_moron 8y ago
    I think you're right. I didnt consider that.
badpun 8y ago
I imagine it's not uncommon to retire early as an engineer in the US, while it's not really a thing in EU (with some exceptions, like doing years of contracting in hot markets). The pay is just low and the taxes are high, sometimes ridiculously high (ex. in Belgium you pay 45% income tax for income above 20k euros...).

eu_moron 8y ago

Thats the thing. I dont think I want to put years of my life just to immigrate to US. Earlier it was less difficult ( surely not easy ). But nothing of interest happens here. Everybody just wants to preserve the old (old businesses, old ways of thiking) and people are more keen on justifying why what they do is good (and better than US ). For example in Germany people are peoud of their paperwork.

wprapido 8y ago
Check out some Eastern European countries. Romania, Estonia, Czech, are very capitalist, business minded, tech driven. Actually, there is a great pool of Libertarians across the region. If it weren't for Brexit, the UK would make a great choice. Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Luxembourg, are also decent options.
Mave83 8y ago
I don't think this is correct. I'm a serial entrepreneur and innovation is something that Germany does on a regular day to day basis. Why don't you just create your own company in a field you like? In the EU it's easy to do so and there are hundreds of accelerator programs that help doing so. Innovation is nothing US exclusive. For example, just look how many Israel companies provide innovative products to the US tech companies.
- eu_moron 8y ago
  I think you're right. I didnt consider that.

badpun 8y ago

I imagine it's not uncommon to retire early as an engineer in the US, while it's not really a thing in EU (with some exceptions, like doing years of contracting in hot markets). The pay is just low and the taxes are high, sometimes ridiculously high (ex. in Belgium you pay 45% income tax for income above 20k euros...).