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> Europe lost the internet. That is a bit much, it is not close to becoming a regulation yet. True, the EU Parliament could have stopped this regulation. Howev

> Europe lost the internet. That is a bit much, it is not close to becoming a regulation yet. True, the EU Parliament could have stopped this regulation. However now it moves on to the national governments to be argued over.

isostatic 8y ago
And there's me thinking the EU wasn't democratic. Not only can elected MEPs stop it, but so can the each member government (or at least enough of them).
- em3rgent0rdr 8y ago
  Democracy isn't that great if the people vote for politicians who implement bad laws. What I'm afraid of is that the majority of Europeans actually think this law is good.
  - Blaiz0r 8y ago
    I see no evidence of that, not including ill-informed politicians
  - ionised 8y ago
    European here. Anecdotally, I don't know anyone personally who thinks this is a good thing. I do however know many that are in great approval of GDPR (as I am).
    - dagw 8y ago
      Another European here. Anecdotally, I don't know anyone personally who's actually paid any amount of attention to the details of this.
tutanchamun 8y ago
I'm really curious what the german government will do. As far as I know they (CDU and SPD) have a paragraph about being against upload filters in their coalition agreement. Interestingly the one who spearheaded article 11 and 13 - Axel Voss - is a german CDU politician. Preach water and drink wine?
- detaro 8y ago
  I would not be surprised if CDU pushes it through while the SPD mostly looks on, maybe complaining quietly and ineffectively. (There's individuals I expect to speak up, but not really the leadership)
- wolfgke 8y ago
  > I'm really curious what the german government will do. As far as I know they (CDU and SPD) have a paragraph about being against upload filters in their coalition agreement. It will happen what always happens: they tell you that they are against it, but were obligated by the EU to pass such a national law.
vsl 8y ago
Err, no, you really don’t understand the EU legislative process at all. This Directive, once approved by EU parliament in the spring (this is just rubber-stamping, it extremely rarely goes the other way), member states will be required to implement the directive. That too is just rubber-stamping at the nation level: there’s sometimes some wiggle room in phrasing and details, but everything the directive clearly spells out has to be implement exactly that way.
- jimnotgym 8y ago
  >Consultation The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/powers-and-procedures/legislative-powers http://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/powers-and...

isostatic 8y ago

And there's me thinking the EU wasn't democratic. Not only can elected MEPs stop it, but so can the each member government (or at least enough of them).

em3rgent0rdr 8y ago
Democracy isn't that great if the people vote for politicians who implement bad laws. What I'm afraid of is that the majority of Europeans actually think this law is good.
- Blaiz0r 8y ago
  I see no evidence of that, not including ill-informed politicians
- ionised 8y ago
  European here. Anecdotally, I don't know anyone personally who thinks this is a good thing. I do however know many that are in great approval of GDPR (as I am).
  - dagw 8y ago
    Another European here. Anecdotally, I don't know anyone personally who's actually paid any amount of attention to the details of this.

tutanchamun 8y ago

I'm really curious what the german government will do. As far as I know they (CDU and SPD) have a paragraph about being against upload filters in their coalition agreement. Interestingly the one who spearheaded article 11 and 13 - Axel Voss - is a german CDU politician. Preach water and drink wine?

detaro 8y ago
I would not be surprised if CDU pushes it through while the SPD mostly looks on, maybe complaining quietly and ineffectively. (There's individuals I expect to speak up, but not really the leadership)
wolfgke 8y ago
> I'm really curious what the german government will do. As far as I know they (CDU and SPD) have a paragraph about being against upload filters in their coalition agreement. It will happen what always happens: they tell you that they are against it, but were obligated by the EU to pass such a national law.

vsl 8y ago

Err, no, you really don’t understand the EU legislative process at all. This Directive, once approved by EU parliament in the spring (this is just rubber-stamping, it extremely rarely goes the other way), member states will be required to implement the directive. That too is just rubber-stamping at the nation level: there’s sometimes some wiggle room in phrasing and details, but everything the directive clearly spells out has to be implement exactly that way.

jimnotgym 8y ago
>Consultation The European Parliament may approve or reject a legislative proposal, or propose amendments to it. The Council is not legally obliged to take account of Parliament’s opinion but in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice, it must not take a decision without having received it. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/powers-and-procedures/legislative-powers http://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/powers-and...