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>"But, under Cook the following has happened: Apple Watch, AirPods, HomePod, iPhone X, ARKit, Siri Shortcuts, FaceID, iMac Pro. Everything in that list might no

>"But, under Cook the following has happened: Apple Watch, AirPods, HomePod, iPhone X, ARKit, Siri Shortcuts, FaceID, iMac Pro. Everything in that list might not perfectly suit every user, but the argument "Without Steve Apple can't innovate!"" Yes that mix of products and features all happened during his time as CEO but how innovative are those things that you listed really? Is there a common through line to any of the items in your list that would constitute a product vision? For instance Apple spent billions on buying Beats. And 4 years later they are pushing Air Pods while Apple Music recommendation engine is abysmal. This strikes me as incoherent the opposite of visionary. Apple was also years ahead with Siri and a voice interface and yet only trotted out a smart speaker years after someone else innovated. And oddly the Home Pod came out years after Apple decided to discontinue making the Airport. This also seemed incoherent as hey already had a toehold in the networked home with the Airport base station and Airport Express. And during the period where it seems Amazon was busy developing a voice activated digital assistant Apple was busy making jewelry in the form of a wrist watch. I would also mention the laptop, which although not new and sexy isn't going away anytime soon and aside from the confusing "touch bar" the Macbook Pro hasn't fundamentally changed in years. Dell and MS have innovated far beyond anything that Apple has done with the laptops it seems.

Bud 8y ago
Wrong on several points. First, HomePod is fundamentally a speaker; the "smart" functionality is decidedly secondary. Second, no, HomePod did not come out "years after" Airport was discontinued; it was a few months. Third, calling Apple Watch mere "jewelry" is silliness; it's a very impressive product by any standard. Amazon's digital assistant does things that Siri is not even trying to do and which can only work if you are willing to invade user privacy in ways that Apple is fundamentally opposed to. These products are not really on the same playing field. How precisely has Dell "innovated" in fundamental ways in the laptop space? They haven't; that's a baseless claim. Dell still can't make a decent trackpad.
- bogomipz 8y ago
  >"Wrong on several points. First, HomePod is fundamentally a speaker; the "smart" functionality is decidedly secondary." From the Apple product page: >"HomePod is great at the things you want to know, and do, in your home. From getting the latest weather to sending messages and controlling your smart home accessories,2 Siri makes it easy to multitask with just your voice."[1] Unless you can tell me you were on the design team for the HomePod, you have just entirely made up the fact that the smart functionality is "decidedly secondary." >"second, no, HomePod did not come out "years after" Airport was discontinued; it was a few months." Apple stopped developing the Airport and disbanded the team back in 2016.[2] So yeah that's a couple of years. Selling through on existing stock is not the same as actively developing is it? >"Third, calling Apple Watch mere "jewelry" is silliness; it's a very impressive product by any standard." A watch is commonly accepted to be both an accessory and a piece of jewelry. It's amusing that you want to dispute this when this watch has become an incredibly fashionable accessory to have at the moment. And just to put a fine point on it, when Hermès is designing for you, its safe to say that you are in fact producing a fashion accessory.[3] [1] https://www.apple.com/homepod/ https://www.apple.com/homepod/ [2] https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/21/apple-reportedly-stops-developing-airport-wifi-router-products-moving-employees-to-other-projects/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/21/apple-reportedly-stops-develo... [3] https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-hermes/ https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-hermes/
  - Bud 8y ago
    Hermes is designing watch bands. They have, of course, obviously, zero involvement with the actual product.
    - bogomipz 8y ago
      Maybe read the actual link: "A partnership based on parallel thinking, singular vision, and mutual regard continues with a fresh new expression." So clearly they had a lot to do with the actual product, substantially more than "zero." You might also note that the actual face of the watch displays Hermès typeface and logo. I'm guessing you aren't familiar with Hermès because they don't need Apple.

Bud 8y ago

Wrong on several points. First, HomePod is fundamentally a speaker; the "smart" functionality is decidedly secondary. Second, no, HomePod did not come out "years after" Airport was discontinued; it was a few months. Third, calling Apple Watch mere "jewelry" is silliness; it's a very impressive product by any standard. Amazon's digital assistant does things that Siri is not even trying to do and which can only work if you are willing to invade user privacy in ways that Apple is fundamentally opposed to. These products are not really on the same playing field. How precisely has Dell "innovated" in fundamental ways in the laptop space? They haven't; that's a baseless claim. Dell still can't make a decent trackpad.

bogomipz 8y ago
>"Wrong on several points. First, HomePod is fundamentally a speaker; the "smart" functionality is decidedly secondary." From the Apple product page: >"HomePod is great at the things you want to know, and do, in your home. From getting the latest weather to sending messages and controlling your smart home accessories,2 Siri makes it easy to multitask with just your voice."[1] Unless you can tell me you were on the design team for the HomePod, you have just entirely made up the fact that the smart functionality is "decidedly secondary." >"second, no, HomePod did not come out "years after" Airport was discontinued; it was a few months." Apple stopped developing the Airport and disbanded the team back in 2016.[2] So yeah that's a couple of years. Selling through on existing stock is not the same as actively developing is it? >"Third, calling Apple Watch mere "jewelry" is silliness; it's a very impressive product by any standard." A watch is commonly accepted to be both an accessory and a piece of jewelry. It's amusing that you want to dispute this when this watch has become an incredibly fashionable accessory to have at the moment. And just to put a fine point on it, when Hermès is designing for you, its safe to say that you are in fact producing a fashion accessory.[3] [1] https://www.apple.com/homepod/ https://www.apple.com/homepod/ [2] https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/21/apple-reportedly-stops-developing-airport-wifi-router-products-moving-employees-to-other-projects/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/21/apple-reportedly-stops-develo... [3] https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-hermes/ https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-hermes/
- Bud 8y ago
  Hermes is designing watch bands. They have, of course, obviously, zero involvement with the actual product.
  - bogomipz 8y ago
    Maybe read the actual link: "A partnership based on parallel thinking, singular vision, and mutual regard continues with a fresh new expression." So clearly they had a lot to do with the actual product, substantially more than "zero." You might also note that the actual face of the watch displays Hermès typeface and logo. I'm guessing you aren't familiar with Hermès because they don't need Apple.