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That's when it's time to sue.

Analemma_ 8y ago
The Steam user agreement includes a binding arbitration clause preventing you from suing: https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#11 https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#11. There is no escape.
- olzd 8y ago
  Actually there is: be a EU resident. It's even explicitely stated there.
- babypuncher 8y ago
  Have these actually been tested in court? I believe if someone actually decided to sue it would go about as poorly as non-compete clauses in employment contracts.
  - Analemma_ 8y ago
    Yes, SCOTUS has repeatedly upheld binding arbitration clauses as valid, and that they even override state law and apply in cases of naked fraud by the company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Mobility_LLC_v._Concepcion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Mobility_LLC_v._Concepc... (binding arbitration overrides state law) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/business/supreme-court-upholds-workplace-arbitration-contracts.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/business/supreme-court-up... (binding arbitration overrides workers' rights) https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/supreme-court-backs-binding-arbitration-agreements/2012/01/16/gIQAg4LuGQ_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/supreme-court-backs-... (binding aribtration applies even in cases of fraud and deceptive advertising)
    - caf 8y ago
      In a sense this is just codifying what has always been tacitly true - the court system isn't really intended to protect the common man against the economic, political and social elites, it's primary purpose is as a dispute resolution mechanism among those elites.
  - giobox 8y ago
    They teach arbitration and related matters in many law school curriculums now, another sad sign of the continued slide into privatised legal systems. Unfortunately they have been successfully tested often in many legal systems.
  - baddox 8y ago
    If you’re testing an arbitration clause outside of arbitration then it’s already clear that the arbitration clause wasn’t binding.

The Steam user agreement includes a binding arbitration clause preventing you from suing: https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#11 https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#11. There is no escape.

olzd 8y ago
Actually there is: be a EU resident. It's even explicitely stated there.
babypuncher 8y ago
Have these actually been tested in court? I believe if someone actually decided to sue it would go about as poorly as non-compete clauses in employment contracts.
- Analemma_ 8y ago
  Yes, SCOTUS has repeatedly upheld binding arbitration clauses as valid, and that they even override state law and apply in cases of naked fraud by the company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Mobility_LLC_v._Concepcion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Mobility_LLC_v._Concepc... (binding arbitration overrides state law) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/business/supreme-court-upholds-workplace-arbitration-contracts.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/business/supreme-court-up... (binding arbitration overrides workers' rights) https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/supreme-court-backs-binding-arbitration-agreements/2012/01/16/gIQAg4LuGQ_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/supreme-court-backs-... (binding aribtration applies even in cases of fraud and deceptive advertising)
  - caf 8y ago
    In a sense this is just codifying what has always been tacitly true - the court system isn't really intended to protect the common man against the economic, political and social elites, it's primary purpose is as a dispute resolution mechanism among those elites.
- giobox 8y ago
  They teach arbitration and related matters in many law school curriculums now, another sad sign of the continued slide into privatised legal systems. Unfortunately they have been successfully tested often in many legal systems.
- baddox 8y ago
  If you’re testing an arbitration clause outside of arbitration then it’s already clear that the arbitration clause wasn’t binding.