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> This is an abhorrent decision by people who have no idea how the internet works. Same sad song as it ever was. Keep giving more control to the government an

> This is an abhorrent decision by people who have no idea how the internet works. Same sad song as it ever was. Keep giving more control to the government and they'll keep ratcheting down the screws on you. An economic union should be about tariffs and the free movement of goods, not an entirely unelected bureaucratic federal government. Centralizing authority only benefits the well connected political class.

Joeri 8y ago
An economic union should be about tariffs and the free movement of goods, not an entirely unelected bureaucratic federal government. The vote that occurred today was by the EU parliament, which is entirely elected. The directive was prepared inside the JURI committee, which also exists entirely out of elected representatives. Also, you can't have a single digital market without a single copyright regime. The economic union implies the single market which implies a single copyright directive. I agree that the contents of that directive is lamentable, but the need for one is clear, even for those opposing this particular directive, provided you buy into the notion that single markets should exist at all.
- linuxftw 8y ago
  I don't believe in copyright or patents, those are solely institutions of the government and primarily tools of the well connected political class.
- adrianratnapala 8y ago
  > Also, you can't have a single digital market without a single copyright regime. The economic union implies the single market which implies a single copyright directive. Why?
  - majewsky 8y ago
    It's sort of like arbitrage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage If, for instance, the left side of your single digital market has a copyright duration of 70 years after the death of the artist, and the right side has 90 years instead, then in effect, it's 70 years even on the right side because anyone can just go to the left side, trade copies of the expired works without paying licensing fees, then come back to the right side with those copies (because it's a single market). So in effect, the regulation of the whole market is the weakest regulation of any part of it.
sixstringtheory 8y ago
I agree with your sentiments, but couldn’t one argue that this is in fact an issue regarding goods/services/trade/economy? It’s not clear to me what would set this apart, just looking for more clarification.
- linuxftw 8y ago
  Sure, but the only way to argue that is the premise that the the power of the government is unending and can grant itself more power as it sees fit. Give the government power to take away your rights, that's indeed what it will do.
sieabah 8y ago
> Keep giving more control to the government and they'll keep ratcheting down the screws on you. It's amazing that people never see this issue. Everyone needs to stop making bigger and bigger governments.
- linuxftw 8y ago
  I find many can't separate the idea of government and society. Government should serve society, not control it. Every societal issue is not in the purview of the government.
skookumchuck 8y ago
Most people seem to think we are just one more law away from creating Utopia.

Joeri 8y ago

An economic union should be about tariffs and the free movement of goods, not an entirely unelected bureaucratic federal government. The vote that occurred today was by the EU parliament, which is entirely elected. The directive was prepared inside the JURI committee, which also exists entirely out of elected representatives. Also, you can't have a single digital market without a single copyright regime. The economic union implies the single market which implies a single copyright directive. I agree that the contents of that directive is lamentable, but the need for one is clear, even for those opposing this particular directive, provided you buy into the notion that single markets should exist at all.

linuxftw 8y ago
I don't believe in copyright or patents, those are solely institutions of the government and primarily tools of the well connected political class.
adrianratnapala 8y ago
> Also, you can't have a single digital market without a single copyright regime. The economic union implies the single market which implies a single copyright directive. Why?
- majewsky 8y ago
  It's sort of like arbitrage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage If, for instance, the left side of your single digital market has a copyright duration of 70 years after the death of the artist, and the right side has 90 years instead, then in effect, it's 70 years even on the right side because anyone can just go to the left side, trade copies of the expired works without paying licensing fees, then come back to the right side with those copies (because it's a single market). So in effect, the regulation of the whole market is the weakest regulation of any part of it.

sixstringtheory 8y ago

I agree with your sentiments, but couldn’t one argue that this is in fact an issue regarding goods/services/trade/economy? It’s not clear to me what would set this apart, just looking for more clarification.

linuxftw 8y ago
Sure, but the only way to argue that is the premise that the the power of the government is unending and can grant itself more power as it sees fit. Give the government power to take away your rights, that's indeed what it will do.

sieabah 8y ago

> Keep giving more control to the government and they'll keep ratcheting down the screws on you. It's amazing that people never see this issue. Everyone needs to stop making bigger and bigger governments.

linuxftw 8y ago
I find many can't separate the idea of government and society. Government should serve society, not control it. Every societal issue is not in the purview of the government.

skookumchuck 8y ago

Most people seem to think we are just one more law away from creating Utopia.