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It's not clearly stated in the original tweets, but I'm glad this article covered it. The Movie was not "physically" deleted from their library. They didn't ha

It's not clearly stated in the original tweets, but I'm glad this article covered it. The Movie was not "physically" deleted from their library. They didn't have a downloaded copy of it, and the ability to re-download (or stream) a new copy from iTunes no longer exists. This is an understandable frustration since the workflows for iCloud, Apple Music, etc are pushing the cloud downloadability to be a first class feature and you would expect your purchases to stay there. That's sadly not always the case. But I think this is an important distinction

mehrdadn 8y ago
Is it possible to avoid local deletion if you need to reinstall the OS or move to a new computer? (I don't know how this works.)
- DaiPlusPlus 8y ago
  The video files are DRM encrypted - I don’t know how long iTunes or macOS retains local decryption key caches (especially if it uses Apple’s TPM equivalent) but based on my experiences with the iOS App Store provided you retain the actual video file then Apple will still grant you a decryption key. iOS App Store apps that have been removed from the store can still be installed on a new iPhone if you still have the IPA file. (Unfortunately newer versions of iTunes don’t let you backup and restore IPA files anymore and even “iPhone backups” don’t include apps themselves anymore, only your app’s user data.)
  - xoa 8y ago
    >Unfortunately newer versions of iTunes don’t let you backup and restore IPA files anymore and even “iPhone backups” don’t include apps themselves anymore, only your app’s user data. This was a real bummer, and feels mostly borne (like many modern big tech company moves recently) not so much out of any sort of monetization strategy or whatever as a basic but irritating bubble: a bunch of tech workers who simply can't comprehend being on a "broadband" connection of the 5/1 ADSL sort (or worse) that much of the world, including America, is still stuck on. It's not a security or DRM issue, the old backup system still signed/encrypted everything and still required calls into the mothership and the like. It's mainly sucked just because it makes it enormously slower to restore a phone for people with poor connections. I wish Apple had seen a chance to differentiate themselves there with more local support (presumably which could be leverage into hardware product sales) since unlike Google they are not dependent on ad/cloud revenue, but perhaps it was inevitable as they lost track of all SoHo efforts with the Mac. As a startup org structure it's just hard for Apple to multi-task as well for better and for worse.
  - mehrdadn 8y ago
    I see, thanks!
- gnicholas 8y ago
  Yes, you can save the files to a separate hard drive. Also, they would be backed up via Time Machine, if you use it.
  - mehrdadn 8y ago
    Thanks!
gambiting 8y ago
It's the same with Apple store apps - I've bought Rayman 2 and Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 on my iPod touch years ago, and while these games are in my purchase history, there is no way to download them - there is no download button. So I've paid money for something that I can't get anymore. However, if I still had that iPod I'm sure they would still work.
- gmailsyncer 8y ago
  Can you sync the iPod touch with a PC or Mac, then you would at least have a local copy of the actual app binary/executable. Then you may be able to persuade iTunes to sync it to another device.
- chrischen 8y ago
  Seems like the perfect (legal) use case for torrenting.
  - TheDong 8y ago
    The DMCA (section 117) allows creation of archival copies from the original media that you legally own. It does not allow you to obtain a copy from another entity, either by archiving theirs, downloading it from a torrent, or whatever other means. The copyright they had can't be transferred to your copy. Even if the bits are completely identical between you backing up a copy yourself and you downloading it from the internet, only the former is legal. Please don't claim something is legal when it is not.
    - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
      Fuck that. Ill just pirate to begin with then, if I'm going to be a "criminal" either way. And then Ill save my money for hardware and/or donations to the FSF.
    - sneak 8y ago
      > The DMCA (section 117) allows creation of archival copies from the original media that you legally own. It does not allow you to obtain a copy from another entity, either by archiving theirs, downloading it from a torrent, or whatever other means. The copyright they had can't be transferred to your copy. Sequences of bits are fungible. If you have a license to possess the work, you have a license to possess the work. (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.)
Crontab 8y ago
Your comment is correct and really should be at the top. The real issue is that many people don't know this can happen and should be warned.

mehrdadn 8y ago

Is it possible to avoid local deletion if you need to reinstall the OS or move to a new computer? (I don't know how this works.)

DaiPlusPlus 8y ago
The video files are DRM encrypted - I don’t know how long iTunes or macOS retains local decryption key caches (especially if it uses Apple’s TPM equivalent) but based on my experiences with the iOS App Store provided you retain the actual video file then Apple will still grant you a decryption key. iOS App Store apps that have been removed from the store can still be installed on a new iPhone if you still have the IPA file. (Unfortunately newer versions of iTunes don’t let you backup and restore IPA files anymore and even “iPhone backups” don’t include apps themselves anymore, only your app’s user data.)
- xoa 8y ago
  >Unfortunately newer versions of iTunes don’t let you backup and restore IPA files anymore and even “iPhone backups” don’t include apps themselves anymore, only your app’s user data. This was a real bummer, and feels mostly borne (like many modern big tech company moves recently) not so much out of any sort of monetization strategy or whatever as a basic but irritating bubble: a bunch of tech workers who simply can't comprehend being on a "broadband" connection of the 5/1 ADSL sort (or worse) that much of the world, including America, is still stuck on. It's not a security or DRM issue, the old backup system still signed/encrypted everything and still required calls into the mothership and the like. It's mainly sucked just because it makes it enormously slower to restore a phone for people with poor connections. I wish Apple had seen a chance to differentiate themselves there with more local support (presumably which could be leverage into hardware product sales) since unlike Google they are not dependent on ad/cloud revenue, but perhaps it was inevitable as they lost track of all SoHo efforts with the Mac. As a startup org structure it's just hard for Apple to multi-task as well for better and for worse.
- mehrdadn 8y ago
  I see, thanks!
gnicholas 8y ago
Yes, you can save the files to a separate hard drive. Also, they would be backed up via Time Machine, if you use it.
- mehrdadn 8y ago
  Thanks!

gambiting 8y ago

It's the same with Apple store apps - I've bought Rayman 2 and Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 on my iPod touch years ago, and while these games are in my purchase history, there is no way to download them - there is no download button. So I've paid money for something that I can't get anymore. However, if I still had that iPod I'm sure they would still work.

gmailsyncer 8y ago
Can you sync the iPod touch with a PC or Mac, then you would at least have a local copy of the actual app binary/executable. Then you may be able to persuade iTunes to sync it to another device.
chrischen 8y ago
Seems like the perfect (legal) use case for torrenting.
- TheDong 8y ago
  The DMCA (section 117) allows creation of archival copies from the original media that you legally own. It does not allow you to obtain a copy from another entity, either by archiving theirs, downloading it from a torrent, or whatever other means. The copyright they had can't be transferred to your copy. Even if the bits are completely identical between you backing up a copy yourself and you downloading it from the internet, only the former is legal. Please don't claim something is legal when it is not.
  - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
    Fuck that. Ill just pirate to begin with then, if I'm going to be a "criminal" either way. And then Ill save my money for hardware and/or donations to the FSF.
  - sneak 8y ago
    > The DMCA (section 117) allows creation of archival copies from the original media that you legally own. It does not allow you to obtain a copy from another entity, either by archiving theirs, downloading it from a torrent, or whatever other means. The copyright they had can't be transferred to your copy. Sequences of bits are fungible. If you have a license to possess the work, you have a license to possess the work. (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.)

Crontab 8y ago

Your comment is correct and really should be at the top. The real issue is that many people don't know this can happen and should be warned.