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Apparently you haven't been following the battle between Redbox and Disney - not even a physical copy can side-step strong DRM via access codes. From what I can

Apparently you haven't been following the battle between Redbox and Disney - not even a physical copy can side-step strong DRM via access codes. From what I can see thus far Disney is winning the battle in court. So, even if you buy a physical incarnation of a copy, you might not actually own the content on the medium. Thanks a lot, Mickey Mouse /s

xienze 8y ago
> So, even if you buy a physical incarnation of a copy, you might not actually own the content on the medium. Buy it and rip it. Nothing they can do about that.
- JadeNB 8y ago
  > Buy it and rip it. Nothing they can do about that. It's illegal (breaking the encryption), so they could theoretically pursue legal remedies.
  - xienze 8y ago
    Yeah, if they knew about it, which they won't unless you're distributing copies. I put laws ripping my own purchased discs for personal use (DMCA) in the "kiss my ass" category.
- ta76567656 8y ago
  They can if you're Redbox, which is what the parent was talking about. With DRM bullshit they can circumvent the Right of First Sale principle.
- mulmen 8y ago
  Breaking the law is unethical because the benefits apply only to you. Copyright and truth in advertising law as it is today is not protecting consumers. Rather than being content circumventing the law those of us that understand the problem should work to fix it.
  - stale2002 8y ago
    Bypassing DRM is against the TOS, but is not illegal in general, especially for things like personal use. I would also like to point out that laws only work when they are enforceable. And a great way of getting rid of a law is for all of society to just break it, and encourage others to break it. When everyone breaks a law, it becomes harder and harder to enforce, and is an effective measure of eliminating it. If not dejure, then at least by defacto.
- izacus 8y ago
  Ripping modern DRM protected media is far from trivial and selling our offering any kind of tools or devices that can defeat DRM is illegal.
tzs 8y ago
Are you sure that is an accurate characterization? From what I've read Redbox is buying Disney "combo packs" that contain a physical DVD or Blu-Ray disc and a printed code that can be used for streaming the movie. Redbox has been splitting those, renting the disc from its kiosks, and selling the piece of paper containing the printed code. As far as I can see, it is the codes that are at issue, not the renting of the physical discs.

xienze 8y ago

> So, even if you buy a physical incarnation of a copy, you might not actually own the content on the medium. Buy it and rip it. Nothing they can do about that.

JadeNB 8y ago
> Buy it and rip it. Nothing they can do about that. It's illegal (breaking the encryption), so they could theoretically pursue legal remedies.
- xienze 8y ago
  Yeah, if they knew about it, which they won't unless you're distributing copies. I put laws ripping my own purchased discs for personal use (DMCA) in the "kiss my ass" category.
ta76567656 8y ago
They can if you're Redbox, which is what the parent was talking about. With DRM bullshit they can circumvent the Right of First Sale principle.
mulmen 8y ago
Breaking the law is unethical because the benefits apply only to you. Copyright and truth in advertising law as it is today is not protecting consumers. Rather than being content circumventing the law those of us that understand the problem should work to fix it.
- stale2002 8y ago
  Bypassing DRM is against the TOS, but is not illegal in general, especially for things like personal use. I would also like to point out that laws only work when they are enforceable. And a great way of getting rid of a law is for all of society to just break it, and encourage others to break it. When everyone breaks a law, it becomes harder and harder to enforce, and is an effective measure of eliminating it. If not dejure, then at least by defacto.
izacus 8y ago
Ripping modern DRM protected media is far from trivial and selling our offering any kind of tools or devices that can defeat DRM is illegal.

tzs 8y ago

Are you sure that is an accurate characterization? From what I've read Redbox is buying Disney "combo packs" that contain a physical DVD or Blu-Ray disc and a printed code that can be used for streaming the movie. Redbox has been splitting those, renting the disc from its kiosks, and selling the piece of paper containing the printed code. As far as I can see, it is the codes that are at issue, not the renting of the physical discs.