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Who said they couldn't be paid? Patreon, kickstarter, etc show that you can do what you care about and still make money ethically.

watwut 8y ago
I very intentionally wrote "pay raise" instead of "some minimal amount of money". Also, both succesfull patreon and succesfull kickstarter require significant effort to pull off. You have to create materials, build community and promote promote and so on. It is a lot of managerial work. We are not talking about "buy third yacht" level of money here. We are talking about "I can finally afford dentist or something else basic" amount of money here. It makes difference in people's lives.
- CaptSpify 8y ago
  Are you suggesting that everyone who wants a pay raise deserves it just because they can build a website? If so, then I want a pay raise. But I'm unwilling to sacrifice my users' security and privacy to do it. Nobody said it was easy to raise money. If it was, everyone would do it. Crowdfunding and donations make plenty if money to afford a dentist or other basic needs. There are plenty of full-time groups making money with it. I don't know why you think thats not possible when it is already happening.
  - watwut 8y ago
    You are changing the topic. It started with false dichotomy between ads and caring for content and continued through "this form of monetization is more effective then the other one". I am suggesting that using "want money" as dirty word as if it wad something people (who don't even earn a lot) should be ashamed off is manipulative false argument. Most crowdfunding campaigns fail. Most pay for medical campaigns fail. Most including those succesfull don't earn enough to be full time. Inspirational feel good article about succesfull campaign is not representative of average case.
    - CaptSpify 8y ago
      Can you point to where I said that wanting more money is a "dirty word"? Or can you point to where I said it was wrong to want more money? I don't see anything like that in any of my posts, and I certainly don't believe that to be true. Most advertisement based sites fail. Does that mean we should also abandon that model? Nobody said that the average campaign should succeed. I definitely don't believe that. You can't just keep putting words into my mouth and then claim that I am the one changing the topic.

watwut 8y ago

I very intentionally wrote "pay raise" instead of "some minimal amount of money". Also, both succesfull patreon and succesfull kickstarter require significant effort to pull off. You have to create materials, build community and promote promote and so on. It is a lot of managerial work. We are not talking about "buy third yacht" level of money here. We are talking about "I can finally afford dentist or something else basic" amount of money here. It makes difference in people's lives.

CaptSpify 8y ago
Are you suggesting that everyone who wants a pay raise deserves it just because they can build a website? If so, then I want a pay raise. But I'm unwilling to sacrifice my users' security and privacy to do it. Nobody said it was easy to raise money. If it was, everyone would do it. Crowdfunding and donations make plenty if money to afford a dentist or other basic needs. There are plenty of full-time groups making money with it. I don't know why you think thats not possible when it is already happening.
- watwut 8y ago
  You are changing the topic. It started with false dichotomy between ads and caring for content and continued through "this form of monetization is more effective then the other one". I am suggesting that using "want money" as dirty word as if it wad something people (who don't even earn a lot) should be ashamed off is manipulative false argument. Most crowdfunding campaigns fail. Most pay for medical campaigns fail. Most including those succesfull don't earn enough to be full time. Inspirational feel good article about succesfull campaign is not representative of average case.
  - CaptSpify 8y ago
    Can you point to where I said that wanting more money is a "dirty word"? Or can you point to where I said it was wrong to want more money? I don't see anything like that in any of my posts, and I certainly don't believe that to be true. Most advertisement based sites fail. Does that mean we should also abandon that model? Nobody said that the average campaign should succeed. I definitely don't believe that. You can't just keep putting words into my mouth and then claim that I am the one changing the topic.