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Actually it solves lots of those problems too, more affordable housing would make it possible for teachers, waiters, bus drivers, waiters, grocery cashiers to l

by joshe 8y ago

Actually it solves lots of those problems too, more affordable housing would make it possible for teachers, waiters, bus drivers, waiters, grocery cashiers to live affordably in the city. Uber/Lyft and now scooters have already 10x improved transit in SF. Living without a car and even without buses is totally possible now. The cost of Lyft 10 times a week compares favorably with a car, and scooters/bikes are much cheaper. See http://www.rideordrive.org/ http://www.rideordrive.org/ Improving caltrain, muni and bart would be awesome, but there's plenty of transit to handle much more housing. So "moar housing!"

nedwin 8y ago
"would make it possible for teachers, waiters, bus drivers, waiters, grocery cashiers to live affordably in the city." Plus a broader tax base vs relying on Prop 13 property taxes.
ryandrake 8y ago
That’s no solution. So teachers and waiters can live in the city now—great. What new schools and restaurants will they work in? Where are all the new grocery stores going to be built to cater to all the new residents? How will the traffic grid handle more Lyfts and Ubers? Are you going to build wider roads in SF? You can’t just build taller buildings and dump 50% more people in a city.
- joshe 8y ago
  There's now a bunch of new building to put schools and restaurants in. Much of SF is 1 story buildings. You can absolutely convert those to 3-4 story buildings and get 100% more people in SF. The first floor can be restaurants, schools and grocery stores. In this new SF, like in Tokyo, you can get a flat for $600/month. Think of the Mission, North Beach, Noe Valley, but building that in the Richmond and Sunset. Everyone wants to live there (see the current prices), why not build more if it? Why not build a bunch in Oakland? People can just switch to scooters and bikes and there is tons of room on the streets. I remember a NY transit authority guy at a conference, he was just amazed at how much wider our streets are. There is tons of room. Tokyo exists, it is a real big city with low rents and a great quality of life.
- bluGill 8y ago
  Why can't we build taller schools, restaurants, and stores at the same time? Or better yet a tower that is a store on the bottom floor, then offices for a couple floors, then apartments? (or any other arrangement of the above that makes sense for the local situation)? The reason you think more transit will be needed is because you are assuming that separate business and residential districts are required. However there is no particular reason it must be that way. If you can get people within walking distance of work and a few stores they won't needs as much transit. Transit becomes what you need for rare trips.
- travisoneill1 8y ago
  What is your point? That it's too difficult and we should just give up and be thankful for what we have? > You can’t just build taller buildings and dump 50% more people in a city. Tell that to NY.

by joshe 8y ago

nedwin 8y ago

"would make it possible for teachers, waiters, bus drivers, waiters, grocery cashiers to live affordably in the city." Plus a broader tax base vs relying on Prop 13 property taxes.

ryandrake 8y ago

That’s no solution. So teachers and waiters can live in the city now—great. What new schools and restaurants will they work in? Where are all the new grocery stores going to be built to cater to all the new residents? How will the traffic grid handle more Lyfts and Ubers? Are you going to build wider roads in SF? You can’t just build taller buildings and dump 50% more people in a city.

joshe 8y ago
There's now a bunch of new building to put schools and restaurants in. Much of SF is 1 story buildings. You can absolutely convert those to 3-4 story buildings and get 100% more people in SF. The first floor can be restaurants, schools and grocery stores. In this new SF, like in Tokyo, you can get a flat for $600/month. Think of the Mission, North Beach, Noe Valley, but building that in the Richmond and Sunset. Everyone wants to live there (see the current prices), why not build more if it? Why not build a bunch in Oakland? People can just switch to scooters and bikes and there is tons of room on the streets. I remember a NY transit authority guy at a conference, he was just amazed at how much wider our streets are. There is tons of room. Tokyo exists, it is a real big city with low rents and a great quality of life.
bluGill 8y ago
Why can't we build taller schools, restaurants, and stores at the same time? Or better yet a tower that is a store on the bottom floor, then offices for a couple floors, then apartments? (or any other arrangement of the above that makes sense for the local situation)? The reason you think more transit will be needed is because you are assuming that separate business and residential districts are required. However there is no particular reason it must be that way. If you can get people within walking distance of work and a few stores they won't needs as much transit. Transit becomes what you need for rare trips.
travisoneill1 8y ago
What is your point? That it's too difficult and we should just give up and be thankful for what we have? > You can’t just build taller buildings and dump 50% more people in a city. Tell that to NY.