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Pathetic. But not surprising; the moral panic around kids vaping has been building for a while now.

glitchc 8y ago
It's not moral panic. Vaping is just as harmful as smoking. Combustion is still the main chemical reaction, and the resultant compounds are just as toxic. They only smell nicer.
- function_seven 8y ago
  There’s no evidence of this. Everything I’ve read indicates that vaping is likely (and dramatically) less harmful. The levels of toxins are orders of magnitude lower or nonexistent in vapor. Also, there’s no combustion when liquid-based nicotine solution is atomized.
  - glitchc 8y ago
    I grant that vaporization occurs at a lower temperature than combustion, but it is still a chemical reaction that relies on a heating element. Proponents of e-cigs have always argued that this makes e-cigs safer, and it does not produce the same compounds that yobacco burning does. What is not clear is whether the compounds produced are safer.
    - itdaniher 8y ago
      Vaporization (boiling) is not a chemical reaction.
- itdaniher 8y ago
  > Combustion is still the main chemical reaction Please do some research! This is blatantly false. Combustion is not involved in vaping, and boiling is not a chemical reaction! It's very easy to find peer reviewed medical studies showing vape compounds are considerably healthier than cigarette smoke. 30 sec of googling shows https://doi.org/10.3390/ijerph10105146 https://doi.org/10.3390/ijerph10105146 amongst the relevant docs.
- refurb 8y ago
  This runs contrary to everything I've read. Vaping is much less harmful than smoking. Vaping does not rely on combustion but rather vaporization. The resulting compounds aren't just as toxic. Did you just make that up?
- deleted 8y ago
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- rileyphone 8y ago
  While there isn't much research on long term effects of vaping, there are a lot of studies which examine the parts of vapor and almost all, especially when testing under normal conditions, find that they contain much less of the carcinogens that normal cigs do precisely because they aren't combusted. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-le...
gnulinux 8y ago
It's not a moral panic, in the sense that people don't like kids smoking. It's a public health issue. Juul is bad for kids' health, it causes similar problems as cigarettes, even though it's relatively safe. [1] You can't sell cigarette replacements in 2018, half the price, in a nice package, deceiving kids who have absolutely no idea what the heck they're doing, and expect to profit legally and morally from this. [1]: https://news.psu.edu/story/527326/2018/07/03/impact/medical-minute-hazards-juuling-or-vaping https://news.psu.edu/story/527326/2018/07/03/impact/medical-...

It's not moral panic. Vaping is just as harmful as smoking. Combustion is still the main chemical reaction, and the resultant compounds are just as toxic. They only smell nicer.

function_seven 8y ago
There’s no evidence of this. Everything I’ve read indicates that vaping is likely (and dramatically) less harmful. The levels of toxins are orders of magnitude lower or nonexistent in vapor. Also, there’s no combustion when liquid-based nicotine solution is atomized.
- glitchc 8y ago
  I grant that vaporization occurs at a lower temperature than combustion, but it is still a chemical reaction that relies on a heating element. Proponents of e-cigs have always argued that this makes e-cigs safer, and it does not produce the same compounds that yobacco burning does. What is not clear is whether the compounds produced are safer.
  - itdaniher 8y ago
    Vaporization (boiling) is not a chemical reaction.
itdaniher 8y ago
> Combustion is still the main chemical reaction Please do some research! This is blatantly false. Combustion is not involved in vaping, and boiling is not a chemical reaction! It's very easy to find peer reviewed medical studies showing vape compounds are considerably healthier than cigarette smoke. 30 sec of googling shows https://doi.org/10.3390/ijerph10105146 https://doi.org/10.3390/ijerph10105146 amongst the relevant docs.
refurb 8y ago
This runs contrary to everything I've read. Vaping is much less harmful than smoking. Vaping does not rely on combustion but rather vaporization. The resulting compounds aren't just as toxic. Did you just make that up?
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rileyphone 8y ago
While there isn't much research on long term effects of vaping, there are a lot of studies which examine the parts of vapor and almost all, especially when testing under normal conditions, find that they contain much less of the carcinogens that normal cigs do precisely because they aren't combusted. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-le...

gnulinux 8y ago

It's not a moral panic, in the sense that people don't like kids smoking. It's a public health issue. Juul is bad for kids' health, it causes similar problems as cigarettes, even though it's relatively safe. [1] You can't sell cigarette replacements in 2018, half the price, in a nice package, deceiving kids who have absolutely no idea what the heck they're doing, and expect to profit legally and morally from this. [1]: https://news.psu.edu/story/527326/2018/07/03/impact/medical-minute-hazards-juuling-or-vaping https://news.psu.edu/story/527326/2018/07/03/impact/medical-...