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> The real problem lies in the laws it relies on, namely the extremely stringent copyright laws and the weird fair use. Real problem is the negative incentive

by gutnor 8y ago

> The real problem lies in the laws it relies on, namely the extremely stringent copyright laws and the weird fair use. Real problem is the negative incentive to be correct. The rule penalise you harshly if you serve copyrighted content, but there is nothing if you decide to not serve non-copyrighted content and there is so much content on the internet, that "market pressure" simply isn't going to work. If you are a small publisher of free content, there is a huge risk for content platform to serve your content and no reward if they do. And that's the best case scenario, where all actors have good intentions. But in the real world we know that large copyright holder are very often bulk claiming bulk content. There is no penalty, so that would be crazy for them no to do it. The laws is also talking about terrorist content and the need to remove it within 1 hour or risk up to 4% turnover fine ! There is not going to be any manual check done within 1 hour, and anyway the risk is so great you may as well have a blanket no-question ask removal policy. I fail to see the "good intentions in mind" you mention. MEP are some of the most successful politicians, they would be Olympic level is it was a sport. Their field of expertise is the people and public relation. I can believe they are naive with technology (like encryption or monitoring actual capabilities) but I can't accept they are candid about businesses or individual motivations. Any negative consequence of this law is there on purpose.

rocqua 8y ago
> MEP are some of the most successful politicians, they would be Olympic level is it was a sport. I don't think so. I think MEPs are much closer to members of a state-congress in the US than member of congress. With the equivalent of a member of the US congress being a member of some national parliament. My criterium here is how fierce the campaign is to get elected. At the very least here in the Netherlands, the campaign for the European Parliament is nearly an afterthought in the news. It ranks far below the campaign for the German parliament, let alone our national parliament.
- logifail 8y ago
  >> MEPs are much closer to members of a state-congress in the US than member of congress What's the salary and expenses package like in a state congress? "[..] expense payments of €4,416 per month are given to MEPs as a lump sum in addition to their regular pre-tax monthly salary of €8,611. They are not required to provide any proof of how the money is spent" sources: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/about-meps.html http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/about-meps.html and https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-corruption-move-to-reform-meps-expenses-wholly-inadequate-say-critics/ https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-corrupti...
  - rocqua 8y ago
    To be Olympic-level says something about how well you compete, not how well you get compensated. The fact that MEP compensation is so good, whilst public scrutiny on who gets seats is so lax is even worse.
lolc 8y ago
To a first approximation there is no such thing as "non-copyrighted content" except for very old content. If you're the creator you already have to license your creation to the platform.
AnssiH 8y ago
> you may as well have a blanket no-question ask removal policy The directive (Article 13(2b)) requires the service providers to provide an "effective and expeditious" complaint mechanism for unjustified removals with human review, though.

by gutnor 8y ago

rocqua 8y ago

> MEP are some of the most successful politicians, they would be Olympic level is it was a sport. I don't think so. I think MEPs are much closer to members of a state-congress in the US than member of congress. With the equivalent of a member of the US congress being a member of some national parliament. My criterium here is how fierce the campaign is to get elected. At the very least here in the Netherlands, the campaign for the European Parliament is nearly an afterthought in the news. It ranks far below the campaign for the German parliament, let alone our national parliament.

logifail 8y ago
>> MEPs are much closer to members of a state-congress in the US than member of congress What's the salary and expenses package like in a state congress? "[..] expense payments of €4,416 per month are given to MEPs as a lump sum in addition to their regular pre-tax monthly salary of €8,611. They are not required to provide any proof of how the money is spent" sources: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/about-meps.html http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/about-meps.html and https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-corruption-move-to-reform-meps-expenses-wholly-inadequate-say-critics/ https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-corrupti...
- rocqua 8y ago
  To be Olympic-level says something about how well you compete, not how well you get compensated. The fact that MEP compensation is so good, whilst public scrutiny on who gets seats is so lax is even worse.

lolc 8y ago

To a first approximation there is no such thing as "non-copyrighted content" except for very old content. If you're the creator you already have to license your creation to the platform.

AnssiH 8y ago

> you may as well have a blanket no-question ask removal policy The directive (Article 13(2b)) requires the service providers to provide an "effective and expeditious" complaint mechanism for unjustified removals with human review, though.