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Remember getting downvoted on Hackernews for pointing out that you don't trust their new image of "openness" and what not a month ago? People praising the new l

Remember getting downvoted on Hackernews for pointing out that you don't trust their new image of "openness" and what not a month ago? People praising the new line of the new CEO and analysing that there would be nothing to fear from Microsoft anymore (github contret) - That didn't age too well...

pjmlp 8y ago
I trust Google less than Microsoft, for example.
- Spooky23 8y ago
  I would put them on the same pedestal. I deal with Microsoft a lot. They are back to 90s Microsoft mode. You should be skeptical of anything they say.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Me too, given that a big part of my job is done on MS stack. Not all of us had a problem with 90s Microsoft mode. Every time I have to deal with Android development chores I miss MS tooling.
    - Spooky23 8y ago
      From a technical side, 90s Microsoft was great. From a business/trust side, not so much.
  - intern4tional 8y ago
    Examples please? You're just making some unsubstantiated claim.
- kgwxd 8y ago
  Wouldn't it be nice to have software you didn't have to trust?
- ekianjo 8y ago
  What makes you "trust" Microsoft in the first place? They are spying on users constantly with Windows 10 telemetry, they were an early part of the PRISM program with the NSA, they have been known to abuse their market power to push away competitors. What's to trust about them?
  - st26 8y ago
    I don't know what the proper term is, but there's a certain trust of necessity at play. You have to pick some OS vendor to trust, or at least trust more than the others, because you need an OS.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    I stated that I trusted them more than Google, which are much worse at data harvesting, not that I fully trust them. Using ChromeOS or Android with Googleplex as gateway for every mouse movement or click is tenfold worse than using Windows 10.
    - inawarminister 8y ago
      >Using ChromeOS or Android with Googleplex as gateway for every mouse movement or click is tenfold worse than using Windows 10. Is it? Did somebody compile data on Android telemetry already? Anyway, ChromeOS is a wash, but you can always remove Google software from an Android installation (well, more like flash a new AOSP installation but eh) which is 100% worlds better than any Microsoft software offering, in my opinion.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        Android turns on radio on its own for location services. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/22/google-track-android-users-location-services-turned-off-sim https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/22/google-tr... Flashing Android devices, the hobby for grandma when nothing worthwhile is showing on tv.
        8y ago
cptskippy 8y ago
What does this have to do with openness?
fauigerzigerk 8y ago
Is "openness" really a sufficiently specific attribute to either ascribe it or not ascribe it to one of those huge tech conglomerates? They are all "open" where it suits them and closed where it doesn't. I think what we can observe is that these days it suits Microsoft to be open in more areas than it used to.
quikoa 8y ago
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
wongarsu 8y ago
Microsoft has always been described as a bunch of fairly independend divisions that hate each other. You can also see the split between groups in their products (for example how Explorer and the Kernel/API can't agree on what's a valid path. Explorer doesn't let you create files or folders starting with a dot despite that being legal, and can't show long paths that are legal). I think Microsoft isn't set up in a way that allows to judge them uniformly. Trust the typescript team or the VSCode team seem warranted. I personally quite like what the Kernel team is doing ever since Windows NT. But the User-facing layer of Windows has made dodgy decisions for decades and has always favoured pushing an agenda over user-friendliness, with some successful usabilty pushes in between. To evaluate Github the real question is how much upper management was involved in this feature, and how that might impact Github. That doesn't seem clear to me at all.

pjmlp 8y ago

I trust Google less than Microsoft, for example.

Spooky23 8y ago
I would put them on the same pedestal. I deal with Microsoft a lot. They are back to 90s Microsoft mode. You should be skeptical of anything they say.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Me too, given that a big part of my job is done on MS stack. Not all of us had a problem with 90s Microsoft mode. Every time I have to deal with Android development chores I miss MS tooling.
  - Spooky23 8y ago
    From a technical side, 90s Microsoft was great. From a business/trust side, not so much.
- intern4tional 8y ago
  Examples please? You're just making some unsubstantiated claim.
kgwxd 8y ago
Wouldn't it be nice to have software you didn't have to trust?
ekianjo 8y ago
What makes you "trust" Microsoft in the first place? They are spying on users constantly with Windows 10 telemetry, they were an early part of the PRISM program with the NSA, they have been known to abuse their market power to push away competitors. What's to trust about them?
- st26 8y ago
  I don't know what the proper term is, but there's a certain trust of necessity at play. You have to pick some OS vendor to trust, or at least trust more than the others, because you need an OS.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  I stated that I trusted them more than Google, which are much worse at data harvesting, not that I fully trust them. Using ChromeOS or Android with Googleplex as gateway for every mouse movement or click is tenfold worse than using Windows 10.
  - inawarminister 8y ago
    >Using ChromeOS or Android with Googleplex as gateway for every mouse movement or click is tenfold worse than using Windows 10. Is it? Did somebody compile data on Android telemetry already? Anyway, ChromeOS is a wash, but you can always remove Google software from an Android installation (well, more like flash a new AOSP installation but eh) which is 100% worlds better than any Microsoft software offering, in my opinion.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Android turns on radio on its own for location services. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/22/google-track-android-users-location-services-turned-off-sim https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/22/google-tr... Flashing Android devices, the hobby for grandma when nothing worthwhile is showing on tv.
      - 8y ago

cptskippy 8y ago

What does this have to do with openness?

fauigerzigerk 8y ago

Is "openness" really a sufficiently specific attribute to either ascribe it or not ascribe it to one of those huge tech conglomerates? They are all "open" where it suits them and closed where it doesn't. I think what we can observe is that these days it suits Microsoft to be open in more areas than it used to.

quikoa 8y ago

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

wongarsu 8y ago

Microsoft has always been described as a bunch of fairly independend divisions that hate each other. You can also see the split between groups in their products (for example how Explorer and the Kernel/API can't agree on what's a valid path. Explorer doesn't let you create files or folders starting with a dot despite that being legal, and can't show long paths that are legal). I think Microsoft isn't set up in a way that allows to judge them uniformly. Trust the typescript team or the VSCode team seem warranted. I personally quite like what the Kernel team is doing ever since Windows NT. But the User-facing layer of Windows has made dodgy decisions for decades and has always favoured pushing an agenda over user-friendliness, with some successful usabilty pushes in between. To evaluate Github the real question is how much upper management was involved in this feature, and how that might impact Github. That doesn't seem clear to me at all.