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I'm European but as many don't have a clear idea of how this will work. At my understanding, there will be discussions about the amendments and another vote, l

I'm European but as many don't have a clear idea of how this will work. At my understanding, there will be discussions about the amendments and another vote, like the one we had two months ago. Is it right? There is still time to act, right? Also, is there a place to see who voted what? Elections are close and those choices could impact the vote of many. I knew Votewatch but I don't know if it still doing it, saw some excel file going around last time and wondering if they are being updated, to see who changed ideas.

daninet 8y ago
> Any amendments approved on Wednesday will be subject to further negotiations between politicians and member states in a closed-door process known as “trilogues.” Whatever emerges from those debates will be subject to a final vote by the EU Parliament in January. After that, it will still be up to individual member states to interpret the directive and turn it into law. https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/11/17845394/eu-copyright-directive-reform-date-vote-article-11-13 https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/11/17845394/eu-copyright-dir...
ericdykstra 8y ago
A couple of YouTubers from the UK went to EU Parliament to make the case against Article 13. Unfortunately, their pleas mostly fell on deaf ears. They discuss the (undemocratic) process here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHwaA3fMPgc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHwaA3fMPgc
- whostolemyhat 8y ago
  The youtuber who's claim to fame is making a video where he shouts 'Gas the Jews' repeatedly? I wonder why he wasn't listened to.
  - ericdykstra 8y ago
    Yes, the comedian who almost went to jail in the UK for making a joke. A joke about how Nazis are bad, at that.
yostrovs 8y ago
I'm getting the impression that many Europeans don't seem to have a grasp on how their laws are passed. Is my impression correct? I'm baffled by the commission, Parliament, individual states, and how they interact to make laws. Is this topic teachable to 3rd graders in Europe?
- sirwitti 8y ago
  One could say the same thing about americans and it would probably just as true/false. Me personally I'm not into that kind of generalisation.
- baxtr 8y ago
  Yes, that is unfortunately the case. Exactly this is creating a feeling amongst many of us that something is fundamentally wrong with the EU as governing and legislative body. Of course, you could reverse that and say: People have to inform themselves properly. But that's just the situation were in right now.
  - candiodari 8y ago
    Most of those citizens don't speak any of the languages that the EU operates in. And the EU only translates the result of the legislative process, not the process, so participating in Polish or Greek ... or even French ... is almost impossible. Eventually the outcome of the whole process is translated, but that's it. And starting next year there will be exactly 0.9% [2] of the citizens that speak the language that the EU government conducts itself. Now it is 13.9% [1], which is not exactly a good number. As if it wasn't already a huge problem that the French and German governments essentially control the EU. Combine that with the fact that large blocks hate eachother. Like famously the French and German governments, for example, but those are hardly the only examples. Some blocks have actually recently had shooting conflicts with deaths (the Catalan and Spanish governments, if you're wondering, and yes, both have representation, even though the Catalan government gets no representation in the commission or council, the only institutions with real power in the EU). [1] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(british+population+%2B+irish+population)%2Feu+population http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(british+population+%2B... [2] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(irish+population)%2Feu+population http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(irish+population)%2Feu...
Konryan 8y ago
Here are more details on the process following this vote from the EDRi: https://edri.org/press-release-eu-parliament-flip-flops-backwards-on-copyright/ https://edri.org/press-release-eu-parliament-flip-flops-back...

daninet 8y ago

> Any amendments approved on Wednesday will be subject to further negotiations between politicians and member states in a closed-door process known as “trilogues.” Whatever emerges from those debates will be subject to a final vote by the EU Parliament in January. After that, it will still be up to individual member states to interpret the directive and turn it into law. https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/11/17845394/eu-copyright-directive-reform-date-vote-article-11-13 https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/11/17845394/eu-copyright-dir...

ericdykstra 8y ago

A couple of YouTubers from the UK went to EU Parliament to make the case against Article 13. Unfortunately, their pleas mostly fell on deaf ears. They discuss the (undemocratic) process here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHwaA3fMPgc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHwaA3fMPgc

whostolemyhat 8y ago
The youtuber who's claim to fame is making a video where he shouts 'Gas the Jews' repeatedly? I wonder why he wasn't listened to.
- ericdykstra 8y ago
  Yes, the comedian who almost went to jail in the UK for making a joke. A joke about how Nazis are bad, at that.

yostrovs 8y ago

I'm getting the impression that many Europeans don't seem to have a grasp on how their laws are passed. Is my impression correct? I'm baffled by the commission, Parliament, individual states, and how they interact to make laws. Is this topic teachable to 3rd graders in Europe?

sirwitti 8y ago
One could say the same thing about americans and it would probably just as true/false. Me personally I'm not into that kind of generalisation.
baxtr 8y ago
Yes, that is unfortunately the case. Exactly this is creating a feeling amongst many of us that something is fundamentally wrong with the EU as governing and legislative body. Of course, you could reverse that and say: People have to inform themselves properly. But that's just the situation were in right now.
- candiodari 8y ago
  Most of those citizens don't speak any of the languages that the EU operates in. And the EU only translates the result of the legislative process, not the process, so participating in Polish or Greek ... or even French ... is almost impossible. Eventually the outcome of the whole process is translated, but that's it. And starting next year there will be exactly 0.9% [2] of the citizens that speak the language that the EU government conducts itself. Now it is 13.9% [1], which is not exactly a good number. As if it wasn't already a huge problem that the French and German governments essentially control the EU. Combine that with the fact that large blocks hate eachother. Like famously the French and German governments, for example, but those are hardly the only examples. Some blocks have actually recently had shooting conflicts with deaths (the Catalan and Spanish governments, if you're wondering, and yes, both have representation, even though the Catalan government gets no representation in the commission or council, the only institutions with real power in the EU). [1] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(british+population+%2B+irish+population)%2Feu+population http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(british+population+%2B... [2] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(irish+population)%2Feu+population http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(irish+population)%2Feu...

Konryan 8y ago

Here are more details on the process following this vote from the EDRi: https://edri.org/press-release-eu-parliament-flip-flops-backwards-on-copyright/ https://edri.org/press-release-eu-parliament-flip-flops-back...