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This has been a requirement for some years now. "Local" birth certificates, or for example baptismal certificates cannot be used as I.D. for some years. Their

by tenken 8y ago

This has been a requirement for some years now. "Local" birth certificates, or for example baptismal certificates cannot be used as I.D. for some years. Their authenticity cannot be verified.

codezero 8y ago
According to the article there is no stated policy or rule about that, do you have a source?
- schoen 8y ago
  Local birth certificates are apparently fine if they were issued by a local government authority. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/requirements/citizenship-evidence.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/require... One of the "primary" forms of citizenship evidence is: U.S. birth certificate that meets the following requirements: Issued by the city, county, or state of birth Lists applicant’s full name, date of birth, and place of birth Lists parent(s)’ full names Has the signature of the city, county, or state registrar Has the date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth) Has the seal of issuing authority (Edit: I assume that if the State Department doesn't know how to validate a particular local government's birth certificates, it's supposed to contact the issuing authority to ask.)
- tzs 8y ago
  OT: I followed the link to the rules given in the article. While there I ended up on the page that gives rules for passport photos, since I need to get around to getting one to renew my passport. One of the rules (added in late 2016) is that you cannot wear glasses in the photo. However, if "[...] you cannot remove your glasses for medical reasons, please include a signed note from your doctor with application". I've never heard of nor can can hypothesize a medical condition that would not let you remove your glasses while sitting or standing still for a photo. Anyone have some examples?
  - rincebrain 8y ago
    If you needed them {temporarily,permanently} for some medical condition that rendered your eyes extremely sensitive to certain kinds of light, including, say, a flashbulb. I was trying to think of any other reason than photosensitivity, but that's all that comes to mind.
  - JimmyAustin 8y ago
    It's reaching but Steve Mann could qualify. https://techcrunch.com/2012/07/16/augmented-reality-explorer-steve-mann-assaulted-at-parisian-mcdonalds/ https://techcrunch.com/2012/07/16/augmented-reality-explorer...
toast0 8y ago
From the picture and the text in the article, this appears to be an official birth certificate issued by a Kansas county, not one of those fakey birth certificates with a foot print or whatever. "Barbara was born in a farmhouse in the 1970s in Leavenworth County. She had a birth certificate. Her father went to the courthouse days after she was born to certify her birth -- raised seal and all." Furthermore, according to the state department website [1], one of the options for proving citizenship to get a passport is a Fully-valid, undamaged U.S. passport (may be expired). It seems like 100% BS to not accept that; regardless of the quality of the documentation provided for the first passport, it was provided and accepted many years ago (hence the renewal) and that should be allowed to stand. Edit to add: the requirements for a birth certificate are listed as: Issued by the city, county, or state of birth Lists your full name, date of birth, and place of birth Lists your parent(s)' full names Has the date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth) Has the registrar's signature Has the seal of the issuing authority The image of the birth certificate from the article is heavily cropped and redacted, so I can't tell on most of these, but the document looks like a standard government document, and I can't imagine it would be missing any of those items, unless it was common practice for those to be missing in Kansas, in which case, Kansas passport officers would probably be aware of it. [1] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/apply-renew-passport/apply-in-person.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/apply-r...
- tedunangst 8y ago
  The article doesn't say anything about providing the existing passport for renewal?

by tenken 8y ago

This has been a requirement for some years now. "Local" birth certificates, or for example baptismal certificates cannot be used as I.D. for some years. Their authenticity cannot be verified.

codezero 8y ago

According to the article there is no stated policy or rule about that, do you have a source?

schoen 8y ago
Local birth certificates are apparently fine if they were issued by a local government authority. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/requirements/citizenship-evidence.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/require... One of the "primary" forms of citizenship evidence is: U.S. birth certificate that meets the following requirements: Issued by the city, county, or state of birth Lists applicant’s full name, date of birth, and place of birth Lists parent(s)’ full names Has the signature of the city, county, or state registrar Has the date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth) Has the seal of issuing authority (Edit: I assume that if the State Department doesn't know how to validate a particular local government's birth certificates, it's supposed to contact the issuing authority to ask.)
tzs 8y ago
OT: I followed the link to the rules given in the article. While there I ended up on the page that gives rules for passport photos, since I need to get around to getting one to renew my passport. One of the rules (added in late 2016) is that you cannot wear glasses in the photo. However, if "[...] you cannot remove your glasses for medical reasons, please include a signed note from your doctor with application". I've never heard of nor can can hypothesize a medical condition that would not let you remove your glasses while sitting or standing still for a photo. Anyone have some examples?
- rincebrain 8y ago
  If you needed them {temporarily,permanently} for some medical condition that rendered your eyes extremely sensitive to certain kinds of light, including, say, a flashbulb. I was trying to think of any other reason than photosensitivity, but that's all that comes to mind.
- JimmyAustin 8y ago
  It's reaching but Steve Mann could qualify. https://techcrunch.com/2012/07/16/augmented-reality-explorer-steve-mann-assaulted-at-parisian-mcdonalds/ https://techcrunch.com/2012/07/16/augmented-reality-explorer...

toast0 8y ago

From the picture and the text in the article, this appears to be an official birth certificate issued by a Kansas county, not one of those fakey birth certificates with a foot print or whatever. "Barbara was born in a farmhouse in the 1970s in Leavenworth County. She had a birth certificate. Her father went to the courthouse days after she was born to certify her birth -- raised seal and all." Furthermore, according to the state department website [1], one of the options for proving citizenship to get a passport is a Fully-valid, undamaged U.S. passport (may be expired). It seems like 100% BS to not accept that; regardless of the quality of the documentation provided for the first passport, it was provided and accepted many years ago (hence the renewal) and that should be allowed to stand. Edit to add: the requirements for a birth certificate are listed as: Issued by the city, county, or state of birth Lists your full name, date of birth, and place of birth Lists your parent(s)' full names Has the date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth) Has the registrar's signature Has the seal of the issuing authority The image of the birth certificate from the article is heavily cropped and redacted, so I can't tell on most of these, but the document looks like a standard government document, and I can't imagine it would be missing any of those items, unless it was common practice for those to be missing in Kansas, in which case, Kansas passport officers would probably be aware of it. [1] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/apply-renew-passport/apply-in-person.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/apply-r...

tedunangst 8y ago
The article doesn't say anything about providing the existing passport for renewal?