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This is a very valid use case and something any UTM solution will have to solve. Currently the industry is hoping the FAA will create an uber solution and avoi

This is a very valid use case and something any UTM solution will have to solve. Currently the industry is hoping the FAA will create an uber solution and avoid “patchwork” solutions with state and local involvement, but that will never scale. Local administrators will need to be able to geofence areas in realtime. This will happen but it will take time to roll out and will require local, state, and federal involvement in a manner similar to auto transportation but with some unique aviation aspects.

sandworm101 8y ago
>> require local, state, and federal involvement in a manner similar to auto transportation Or, we can do it in a manner similar to aviation. State and local governments have no say. FAA rules govern aviation, with preemption making sure those rules are not complicated by local authorities. Our helicopters cover a huge area during normal operations. During cross-country transfers to things like airshows they operate across the entire continent. Local, even state, rules won't be welcome. It all has to come from the FAA.
- poof131 8y ago
  Don’t believe an solution based purely on current aviation rules will work for the scale drones will operate at. Firmly convinced that the 200-400’ feet will more closely resemble class-A airspace than class-G and will involve local. Rules will be standardized by the FAA but the administration will have to involve local and they will have a say in restricted airspace, routes, etc. A VFR free-for-all with drones will be a mid-air nightmare and no magical UTM solution will solve it. Don’t disagree that the FAA has preemption, but the current aviation model won’t work in the future and the FAA knows this. They are pushing for more local involvement and it seems to primarily be industry pushing back. Additionally, it isn’t settled law where property rights end. Causby said 87 feet for sure but possibly higher. [1] Still a lot to be worked out how drones will integrate in the national airspace. https://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1955/328us256 https://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1955/328us256
  - sandworm101 8y ago
    Local input on rulemaking is fine, but local towns dont get to promulgate rules as they do speed limits for cars. We cannot fly if every county gets a direct say as to who can fly where on sunday afternoons after labor day. They want to. They try. I field the calls, sometimes from local cops. Federal premption protects us.

sandworm101 8y ago

>> require local, state, and federal involvement in a manner similar to auto transportation Or, we can do it in a manner similar to aviation. State and local governments have no say. FAA rules govern aviation, with preemption making sure those rules are not complicated by local authorities. Our helicopters cover a huge area during normal operations. During cross-country transfers to things like airshows they operate across the entire continent. Local, even state, rules won't be welcome. It all has to come from the FAA.

poof131 8y ago
Don’t believe an solution based purely on current aviation rules will work for the scale drones will operate at. Firmly convinced that the 200-400’ feet will more closely resemble class-A airspace than class-G and will involve local. Rules will be standardized by the FAA but the administration will have to involve local and they will have a say in restricted airspace, routes, etc. A VFR free-for-all with drones will be a mid-air nightmare and no magical UTM solution will solve it. Don’t disagree that the FAA has preemption, but the current aviation model won’t work in the future and the FAA knows this. They are pushing for more local involvement and it seems to primarily be industry pushing back. Additionally, it isn’t settled law where property rights end. Causby said 87 feet for sure but possibly higher. [1] Still a lot to be worked out how drones will integrate in the national airspace. https://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1955/328us256 https://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1955/328us256
- sandworm101 8y ago
  Local input on rulemaking is fine, but local towns dont get to promulgate rules as they do speed limits for cars. We cannot fly if every county gets a direct say as to who can fly where on sunday afternoons after labor day. They want to. They try. I field the calls, sometimes from local cops. Federal premption protects us.