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I agree with the grandparent post, because I think it's misleading to lump all of mathematics together. I'm very bad at mental calculations and basic arithmetic
by ramchip 16y ago
I agree with the grandparent post, because I think it's misleading to lump all of mathematics together. I'm very bad at mental calculations and basic arithmetic, and I couldn't memorize integration formulas if my life depended on it, so I've never had very high grades in math, at least until I hit university. Yet I have a relatively easy time picking up the theory behind SAT solvers, Fourier transforms, or solving complex integrals.
I think some people are better at concrete things like geometry or arithmetic, some people are better at logic, some people are good with operators and algebra... but one does not imply the others, and engineers may have an above-average capability for abstraction or logic that does not translate to much higher results in a high-school level exam.
The study here is said to have studied people "from grade school to college and beyond", so I suspect the "math ability" they tested really has little to do with the math ability required for science and engineering.
Here's another (slightly caustic) blog post which appears to be about the same study:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/07/janet-hyde-boys-girls-in-math-not.html http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/07/janet-hyde-boys-girls-in-m...
It is enough to read a brief review in Science to see that the headlines don't follow from the paper at all. The review explains the main reason of the results: they have detected no signal because the tests were too simple. They didn't really test "g" or the ability to think mathematically but rather attainment.
- araneae 16y agoMore anecdotal evidence! Last night, I jokingly asked my SO what 30/4 was. They said 8.25. Seriously. And they're an academic that does math for a living. I never got past single variable calculus, but I can do most 2 digit math in my head, accurately.
- xyzzyz 16y agoI study maths and if you asked me what 30/4 was, I'd respond, "it is 30/4, obviously". Math is not about calculating. I rarely perform calculations on numbers greater than 20, and I do not even remember when was the last time I performed a long division. What is this "2 digit math" you are talking about?
- araneae 16y agoI'm sorry, I should have typed "thirty divided by four," which is what I actually said, instead of 30/4, but I was lazy. And yes, math is absolutely not about calculating. I was supporting the previous poster's point that they suck at calculating, and that math and calculating are very different things. I hate math. I am completely comfortable with calculating. WTF with the downvotes.