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I agree that it is absurd that we cannot study weed legally. At the end of the day when it comes down to illegal studies, it all comes down to risk tolerance: I

I agree that it is absurd that we cannot study weed legally. At the end of the day when it comes down to illegal studies, it all comes down to risk tolerance: Is an individual willing to lose their ability to practice academic science (in that they can't get a university position, can't get federal funding, and may have to absorb a felony) in order to perform a study that the government says is not ok? For most people including me, that answer is no. How you choose to proceed is up to you, but I will tell you right now that embarking on such a study will end poorly.

tzakrajs 8y ago
> I will tell you right now that embarking on such a study will end poorly. Source?
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- Thriptic 8y ago
  Are you really asking me for a source to prove that being caught doing something massively illegal will result in negative consequences? I'm going to assume that when we talk about running a study, we are talking about using marijuana in humans in a study, meaning a clinical trial. In order to perform a clinical trial with marijuana, by law investigators would need to get an IND (investigational new drug) application approved by the FDA as FDA does not recognize marijuana as a safe and effective drug for any indication. Part of this involves DEA review, and DEA will almost certainly say no. Let's assume for the sake of argument that you do not care about getting approval to run your study. If you do not get an IND approval and you run a clinical trial anyway, your physicians will almost certainly lose their medical licenses, all participants will be subject to multiple criminal offenses, the group will lose all their funding, they be slapped with enormous amounts of fees, and participants will likely lose their university and / or hospital appointments. https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm421163.h.. https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm421163.h.... https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/ucm2681.. https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/ucm2681.... I don't have a concrete example for as to what will happen because to my knowledge no one has been stupid enough to give the FDA the middle finger and run an unlicensed clinical trial. FDA would never let this go unanswered because it would completely undermine their regulatory authority and set a horrible precedent. In effect, this is a perma-ban level offense, and people that do it should expect to get massively punished.
  - tzakrajs 8y ago
    Civil disobedience surely looks stupid through the lens of the oppressor, but perhaps someone with the ability and connections will sacrifice their livelihood to show us how we as a society are sacrificing ours.
  - stephengillie 8y ago
    > In order to perform a clinical trial with marijuana... investigators would need to get ... approved by the FDA... Part of this involves DEA review... It only took you 3 coarse and unhelpful posts to answer my legitimate question. Thanks for your cooperation. (5 Whys? Only 3 Whys were needed here.)
    - Thriptic 8y ago
      Yeah true, sorry for being a dick. I'm sick today, exhausted, and surviving on stimulants; hence my aggression and suboptimal reading comprehension. I shouldn't be expecting other people to deal with me in that state, so again my bad.

tzakrajs 8y ago

> I will tell you right now that embarking on such a study will end poorly. Source?

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Thriptic 8y ago
Are you really asking me for a source to prove that being caught doing something massively illegal will result in negative consequences? I'm going to assume that when we talk about running a study, we are talking about using marijuana in humans in a study, meaning a clinical trial. In order to perform a clinical trial with marijuana, by law investigators would need to get an IND (investigational new drug) application approved by the FDA as FDA does not recognize marijuana as a safe and effective drug for any indication. Part of this involves DEA review, and DEA will almost certainly say no. Let's assume for the sake of argument that you do not care about getting approval to run your study. If you do not get an IND approval and you run a clinical trial anyway, your physicians will almost certainly lose their medical licenses, all participants will be subject to multiple criminal offenses, the group will lose all their funding, they be slapped with enormous amounts of fees, and participants will likely lose their university and / or hospital appointments. https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm421163.h.. https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm421163.h.... https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/ucm2681.. https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/ucm2681.... I don't have a concrete example for as to what will happen because to my knowledge no one has been stupid enough to give the FDA the middle finger and run an unlicensed clinical trial. FDA would never let this go unanswered because it would completely undermine their regulatory authority and set a horrible precedent. In effect, this is a perma-ban level offense, and people that do it should expect to get massively punished.
- tzakrajs 8y ago
  Civil disobedience surely looks stupid through the lens of the oppressor, but perhaps someone with the ability and connections will sacrifice their livelihood to show us how we as a society are sacrificing ours.
- stephengillie 8y ago
  > In order to perform a clinical trial with marijuana... investigators would need to get ... approved by the FDA... Part of this involves DEA review... It only took you 3 coarse and unhelpful posts to answer my legitimate question. Thanks for your cooperation. (5 Whys? Only 3 Whys were needed here.)
  - Thriptic 8y ago
    Yeah true, sorry for being a dick. I'm sick today, exhausted, and surviving on stimulants; hence my aggression and suboptimal reading comprehension. I shouldn't be expecting other people to deal with me in that state, so again my bad.