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There's a lot of gender insensitivity and macho attitudes in software in general. Ruby attracts flamboyant, outspoken and bombastic personalities. These two t
by andrewvc 16y ago
There's a lot of gender insensitivity and macho attitudes in software in general.
Ruby attracts flamboyant, outspoken and bombastic personalities.
These two things collide to make rubyists look more sexist as a group than other developers.
For the record, I'm a rubyist, and think Aimonetti's presentation was titled offensively. Dr. Nic's tweet was also pretty fucked up.
Hanson's comment wasn't so bad, the man respectfully said he liked breasts on his private twitter account. I think that has to be the least controversial statement ever, unless you're an overly PC whack job. That would be offensive if he said it during a presentation at rails conf, but on a private twitter account talking about your personal opinions is completely fine.
So, we have 2 rubyists out of god knows how many acting like jackasses. That's really no reason to slander the whole community.
- superjared 16y agoFYI Aimonetti's title wasn't the worst part about the presentation. Unfortunately the slides are now "private" so you can't see that.
- michael_dorfman 16y agoHanson's comment wasn't so bad, the man respectfully said he liked breasts. I think that has to be the least controversial statement ever, unless you're an overly PC whack job. He went a fair bit beyond a respectful appreciation of the female form. He said that "suppressing our animal instincts is futile", which is a whole other ball of wax, especially when coupled with the aforementioned comments on the female form.
- YooLi 16y agoCare to explain the other ball of wax because I don't see it even after you point it out.
- Confusion 16y agowhich is a whole other ball of wax ... that you are reading into it. We lack any form of context and that soundbite could mean any number of things. For all you know he was just expressing the idea that promoting teenage abstinence is futile, with his own feelings (and the expectation that the addressee shared those feelings) about female forms as an argument.
- xpaulbettsx 16y agoI agree with you on the first bit of DHH's message, but at the end he's basically advocating that we should give up on trying to be professional / polite and just let women deal with being marginalized.
- msbarnett 16y agoThat's reading a hell of a lot into "suppressing all our animal instincts is futile."
- troygoode 16y agoI think its a bit much to find Dr Nic's tweet "fucked up." Nestle deserves this particular complaint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkie_(chocolate_bar) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkie_(chocolate_bar) That said, Aimonetti's slide was in very poor taste.
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- Confusion 16y agoHanson's comment wasn't so bad [..] and she shouldn't have mentioned it at all, because one bad example among four means people will write it off as petty feminist whining. Dr. Nic's tweet was also pretty fucked up. It may have been intended as subtle criticism. He probably didn't make the image, just found it and made a connection. Let's not judge hastily.
- andrewvc 16y agoGood point about Dr. Nic, I do hope he meant it that way. That said, being sarcastically sexist/racist/nudist in public is a bad idea, because other people don't know your true intentions.
- tommynazareth 16y agonudist?
- adbge 16y ago> He probably didn't make the image. It's a brand of candy bar in Europe, probably just pulled it from Google images or similar. I can definitely see it as criticism or a slightly insensitive joke. Either way, hardly something to get upset about.
- lusis 16y agoI think Nic's tweet was more of a "Are you a fucking idiot. Is this REALLY what you meant to say because it's what people took away"