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Note - this is only for international flights, where CBP takes your photo anyway. Data retention period is 14 days for pilot testing, 12 hours for some unspeci

Note - this is only for international flights, where CBP takes your photo anyway. Data retention period is 14 days for pilot testing, 12 hours for some unspecified "short term", and zero after that.

tibyat 8y ago
don’t kid yourself, there’s no such thing as temporary data retention.
JoshTriplett 8y ago
> Note - this is only for international flights, where CBP takes your photo anyway. Not typically on outbound flights, only inbound as part of customs.
- jambo 8y ago
  And inbound is only because they have installed kiosks that they guide everyone to. Otherwise if you go to a CBP agent they don't take your photo if you're a US passport holder. The kiosks are an end-run around tradition/rules about how CBP can treat Americans.
  - azernik 8y ago
    > they don't take your photo if you're a US passport holder This is very much in the "you don't have to go through the body scanners" at the airport category. By default they take your photo and fingerprint, even if you're a US citizen; the specific language on CBP's website is: "At this time, CBP does not require U.S. Citizens to have their photos captured when entering or exiting the country. U.S. Citizens who request not to participate in this biometric collection process may notify a CBP Officer or an airline or airport representative in order to seek an alternative means of verifying their identity and documents." https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics
    - JoshTriplett 8y ago
      > By default they take your photo and fingerprint, even if you're a US citizen Photo, yes; fingerprint, no. Every customs station I've been through when re-entering the US has taken photos but not fingerprints. (They do require fingerprints from non-US-citizens.)
      - azernik 8y ago
        I've had my fingerprint taken (also US citizen)
mlthoughts2018 8y ago
Taking your photo and having gate agents inspect your ID and appearance is an entirely, categorically different thing than having a facial recognition system that can be dynamically fine tuned on small numbers of photos to automatically detect your face in digital sources. I could agree there are legitimate purposes to collect photo identification. I can’t see any useful reason that comes anywhere close to outweighing the risks for feeding photos into a recognition system like this.

Note - this is only for international flights, where CBP takes your photo anyway. Data retention period is 14 days for pilot testing, 12 hours for some unspecified "short term", and zero after that.

tibyat 8y ago

don’t kid yourself, there’s no such thing as temporary data retention.

JoshTriplett 8y ago

> Note - this is only for international flights, where CBP takes your photo anyway. Not typically on outbound flights, only inbound as part of customs.

jambo 8y ago
And inbound is only because they have installed kiosks that they guide everyone to. Otherwise if you go to a CBP agent they don't take your photo if you're a US passport holder. The kiosks are an end-run around tradition/rules about how CBP can treat Americans.
- azernik 8y ago
  > they don't take your photo if you're a US passport holder This is very much in the "you don't have to go through the body scanners" at the airport category. By default they take your photo and fingerprint, even if you're a US citizen; the specific language on CBP's website is: "At this time, CBP does not require U.S. Citizens to have their photos captured when entering or exiting the country. U.S. Citizens who request not to participate in this biometric collection process may notify a CBP Officer or an airline or airport representative in order to seek an alternative means of verifying their identity and documents." https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics
  - JoshTriplett 8y ago
    > By default they take your photo and fingerprint, even if you're a US citizen Photo, yes; fingerprint, no. Every customs station I've been through when re-entering the US has taken photos but not fingerprints. (They do require fingerprints from non-US-citizens.)
    - azernik 8y ago
      I've had my fingerprint taken (also US citizen)

mlthoughts2018 8y ago

Taking your photo and having gate agents inspect your ID and appearance is an entirely, categorically different thing than having a facial recognition system that can be dynamically fine tuned on small numbers of photos to automatically detect your face in digital sources. I could agree there are legitimate purposes to collect photo identification. I can’t see any useful reason that comes anywhere close to outweighing the risks for feeding photos into a recognition system like this.