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Aus the primary driver? A 25m population country with an economy smaller than California, and we're driving things. Dutton is being fed from defense dollars, f

Aus the primary driver? A 25m population country with an economy smaller than California, and we're driving things. Dutton is being fed from defense dollars, from the US.

SamReidHughes 8y ago
Australia is kind of an entire continent, with big territorial national security concerns, so they might be a bit more independently interested than Canada.
adiusmus 8y ago
Driving under the influence. UK and Australia are the test beds. US is the target. From there it flows onwards and outwards. Like raw sewage over the Niagara Falls. The AU my.health opt-out debacle[1] is similar. UK got in first, promised they wouldn’t sell the data then did so. AU then started by copying the UK’s best practice. So... fun times ahead. They’re still trying to get the gun laws fit for size in the US but the political climate and history is too different. And the attempt on the health system via Obamacare didn’t quite take either. More time needed apparently. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/22/my-health-record-identical-to-failed-uk-scheme-privacy-expert-says https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/22/my-he...
- Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
  Putting this bill in the same basket as gun control seems a bit rich. However, comparing it to public health care is well off the mark. Medicare was first introduced in Australia way back in 1975, 35 years before the US. Access to affordable health-care is widely considered a basic human right, and Medicare in Australia widely considered a smashing success. Actually, so are our gun control laws, and they were motivated by mass shootings on our own soil, namely the Port Arthur massacre, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australi..., this wasn't some ploy by the US or the Five Eyes. The Australian public wanted this, and absolutely still do, myself very much included.
  - adiusmus 8y ago
    Actually my point was that the US gets changes after they are tested elsewhere. You didn’t address that. So by omission you’re saying that the US won’t be getting these encryption laws. And that Australian style gun laws won’t arrive in the US either. Ok then.
    - Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
      > So by omission you’re saying that the US won’t be getting these encryption laws. Wait... what? Do you always structure your arguments by putting words in other people's mouths then argue against things they never said. In doing so you're wasting your's and everyone else's time. Not only are you wrong in you assertion. If you'd paid even the smallest amount of attention to the context in which you're posting you'd realise this. I'm the OP for this sub-thread, I suggest you read what I wrote. Now that we've got that aside... > And that Australian style gun laws won’t arrive in the US either. Just stop. We're talking about the Assistance and Access Bill. Stop trying to validate some totally unrelated belief you hold by loosely latching on to valid arguments that myself and others have made here. The reason I responded to you is that I want to make it perfectly clear to anybody reading this... I do not hold your views. These are not related issues.
  - tekknik 8y ago
    Medicare was introduced in the US in 1966.
    - Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
      Woah, my apologies, thanks for the correction. I had meant to compare Australian Medicare to when something equivalent was introduced in the USA. However, I really don't know much about the US system. I had very much incorrectly assumed that the Affordable Care Act had introduced legislation bringing in changes making it fairly comparable to Australian Medicare. Alas, that doesn't seem to be the case, they're still extremely different systems. Also, a little extra research tells me that what I consider to be "Australian Medicare", wasn't actually introduced until 1984, which is when our healthcare became universal.
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fit2rule 8y ago
6th largest 'defence' budget in the world. SIXTH...
- Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
  Reference please. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute ranks Australia as 13th, at 2% of Australia's GDP[1][2]. Which is below the worldwide average of 2.2%, although given our geographic remoteness and relative security, I absolutely agree that it's too much. The International Institute for Strategic Studies places Australia at 12th. [1] https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/1_Data%20for%20all%20countries%20from%201988%E2%80%932017%20in%20constant%20%282016%29%20USD.pdf https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/1_Data%20for%20all... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_...

Aus the primary driver? A 25m population country with an economy smaller than California, and we're driving things. Dutton is being fed from defense dollars, from the US.

SamReidHughes 8y ago

Australia is kind of an entire continent, with big territorial national security concerns, so they might be a bit more independently interested than Canada.

adiusmus 8y ago

Driving under the influence. UK and Australia are the test beds. US is the target. From there it flows onwards and outwards. Like raw sewage over the Niagara Falls. The AU my.health opt-out debacle[1] is similar. UK got in first, promised they wouldn’t sell the data then did so. AU then started by copying the UK’s best practice. So... fun times ahead. They’re still trying to get the gun laws fit for size in the US but the political climate and history is too different. And the attempt on the health system via Obamacare didn’t quite take either. More time needed apparently. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/22/my-health-record-identical-to-failed-uk-scheme-privacy-expert-says https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/22/my-he...

Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
Putting this bill in the same basket as gun control seems a bit rich. However, comparing it to public health care is well off the mark. Medicare was first introduced in Australia way back in 1975, 35 years before the US. Access to affordable health-care is widely considered a basic human right, and Medicare in Australia widely considered a smashing success. Actually, so are our gun control laws, and they were motivated by mass shootings on our own soil, namely the Port Arthur massacre, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australi..., this wasn't some ploy by the US or the Five Eyes. The Australian public wanted this, and absolutely still do, myself very much included.
- adiusmus 8y ago
  Actually my point was that the US gets changes after they are tested elsewhere. You didn’t address that. So by omission you’re saying that the US won’t be getting these encryption laws. And that Australian style gun laws won’t arrive in the US either. Ok then.
  - Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
    > So by omission you’re saying that the US won’t be getting these encryption laws. Wait... what? Do you always structure your arguments by putting words in other people's mouths then argue against things they never said. In doing so you're wasting your's and everyone else's time. Not only are you wrong in you assertion. If you'd paid even the smallest amount of attention to the context in which you're posting you'd realise this. I'm the OP for this sub-thread, I suggest you read what I wrote. Now that we've got that aside... > And that Australian style gun laws won’t arrive in the US either. Just stop. We're talking about the Assistance and Access Bill. Stop trying to validate some totally unrelated belief you hold by loosely latching on to valid arguments that myself and others have made here. The reason I responded to you is that I want to make it perfectly clear to anybody reading this... I do not hold your views. These are not related issues.
- tekknik 8y ago
  Medicare was introduced in the US in 1966.
  - Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
    Woah, my apologies, thanks for the correction. I had meant to compare Australian Medicare to when something equivalent was introduced in the USA. However, I really don't know much about the US system. I had very much incorrectly assumed that the Affordable Care Act had introduced legislation bringing in changes making it fairly comparable to Australian Medicare. Alas, that doesn't seem to be the case, they're still extremely different systems. Also, a little extra research tells me that what I consider to be "Australian Medicare", wasn't actually introduced until 1984, which is when our healthcare became universal.

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fit2rule 8y ago

6th largest 'defence' budget in the world. SIXTH...

Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
Reference please. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute ranks Australia as 13th, at 2% of Australia's GDP[1][2]. Which is below the worldwide average of 2.2%, although given our geographic remoteness and relative security, I absolutely agree that it's too much. The International Institute for Strategic Studies places Australia at 12th. [1] https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/1_Data%20for%20all%20countries%20from%201988%E2%80%932017%20in%20constant%20%282016%29%20USD.pdf https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/1_Data%20for%20all... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_...