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But there is going to be a certain segment of asshole that will just decide: Me strong, you weak, and just override you. There is a brand of "anarchist" which

But there is going to be a certain segment of asshole that will just decide: Me strong, you weak, and just override you. There is a brand of "anarchist" which is doing just this in 2018. But that's a winning strategy. And don't think the assholes won't notice. Then they get groups. The history of scenes, groups, and movements of all kinds tells us that such things are started by idealists, but eventually get suborned by sociopaths. So quite often, the assholes will come over and take over your group as well. I don't think anarchism is evil, just naive. What's metaphorical and paved with best intentions?

bena 8y ago
That's why you need a system designed to tolerate assholes. It's not an easy problem because where there are rules, there are ways to play to the rules. But I'm not an advocate for anarchy in any fashion. It's a situation where I can respect (some of) their desires, but don't think they've chosen the proper way to achieve those desires. And I think it's important to clarify that I don't think anarchy is inherently evil when I'm responding to someone who is trying to say that anarchy is generally thought of as "evil". (Which to be honest I don't think it is, I think it is mostly seen as juvenile.)
- stcredzero 8y ago
  The characters in Lord of the Flies were just being juvenile.
  - bena 8y ago
    And fictional.
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      And remarkably revealing of human nature, as great fiction often does.
      - bena 8y ago
        To a degree, it's a parable. But we can also say they weren't exactly anarchists. They've developed a system of government, leaders, factions, etc.