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Eh we raided Mythics with 25 where most people had voice activation. Was perfectly fine. I think it's more about who you're playing with, if you are good frien

Eh we raided Mythics with 25 where most people had voice activation. Was perfectly fine. I think it's more about who you're playing with, if you are good friends with the people that you are on voice with, chances are you're quite alike and considerate to each other.

gizmo385 8y ago
Wouldn't the sheer overlap of sounds of people mashing on their keyboards drive you insane? I'm usually fine with voice activation in a smaller group (like maybe 5 people) but once you get up to 25 people, I feel like the background noise could seriously overpower some really important callouts that one might need to hear (in the context of something like Mythic raiding).
- gsich 8y ago
  >Wouldn't the sheer overlap of sounds of people mashing on their keyboards drive you insane? That's a hint that the voice activation level is not configured correctly.
  - piyh 8y ago
    No level of voice activation can work well with Cherry Blues
    - jasonlotito 8y ago
      Yes, yes it can.
      - ihuman 8y ago
        It never did for me. I have a Blue Yeti set to cardioid, and the levels needed to fully ignore my mx blues also sometimes ignored my voice.
        brownbat 8y ago
        Mumble offers signal to noise detection that can be more effective than amplitude detection in many but not all situations. I'm surprised it hasn't caught on more widely. Edited for tone.
        gravypod 8y ago
        Do you have a pop filter or a foam head? That will help.
        comex 8y ago
        How close is the Blue Yeti to your face (and to the keyboard)? You might be able to do better with a headset.
  - jasonlotito 8y ago
    This is not high enough. Spending a few minutes setting voice activation is critical, and can go a long way toward helping with issues people have with voice activation. Background sounds should not trigger voice. Typing should not trigger voice. The issues is many people don't do this, and so make the assumption that voice activation is bad. Couple that with people not being considerate of others (such as not muting when you do need to make noise that will be picked up), it gives voice activation a bad rap. But in terms of pure quality, voice activation is always, in my mind, better than PTT. Granted, the last few years I've only really ever played with friends and in small groups, so when people forget, we aren't righteous assholes about it.
    - jjwiseman 8y ago
      Background sounds should not trigger voice. Typing should not trigger voice. That's right. Voice activity detection (VAD) is not the same as sound detection. WebRTC even has a really good VAD built into it that is extremely easy to use and dynamically adapts to the current audio environment. See e.g. https://github.com/wiseman/py-webrtcvad https://github.com/wiseman/py-webrtcvad and https://github.com/dpirch/libfvad https://github.com/dpirch/libfvad for examples where the relatively small VAD code has been pulled out of the giant webrtc corpus. People also need to know to enable AEC in their audio driver, which completely solves the problem of whatever sounds they're playing leaking into their mic.
  - jplayer01 8y ago
    I'd rather slit my wrists than have to herd a raid team any more than I already have to by micromanaging their voice settings. PTT or mute.
    - 946789987649 8y ago
      Voice activation levels are set by the person themselves. You don't manage someone's for them, you can change someone else's volume.
      - jplayer01 8y ago
        And who makes them change it? I would have to micromanage every single person into setting their voice activation right.
        946789987649 8y ago
        Yeah, once. If you can't even be bothered to do that, raid leading (hell, even just raiding) isn't for you. There's a lot more frustration to come.
        jplayer01 8y ago
        Been doing it for a couple of years. It's not as simple as you think to deal with something like this. If you think it's a once and done deal, you've obviously never had to deal with stuff like this in a group of more than 5 people.
        gsich 8y ago
        It is. Don't extrapolate your experience to a broader set.
        jplayer01 8y ago
        It isn’t. Setups change. Stuff gets uninstalled and reinstalled. Old members leave, new ones join. Environments change. Fiddling with that shit isn’t worth the effort and it’s a complete waste of time when a perfect solution exists.

gizmo385 8y ago

Wouldn't the sheer overlap of sounds of people mashing on their keyboards drive you insane? I'm usually fine with voice activation in a smaller group (like maybe 5 people) but once you get up to 25 people, I feel like the background noise could seriously overpower some really important callouts that one might need to hear (in the context of something like Mythic raiding).

gsich 8y ago
>Wouldn't the sheer overlap of sounds of people mashing on their keyboards drive you insane? That's a hint that the voice activation level is not configured correctly.
- piyh 8y ago
  No level of voice activation can work well with Cherry Blues
  - jasonlotito 8y ago
    Yes, yes it can.
    - ihuman 8y ago
      It never did for me. I have a Blue Yeti set to cardioid, and the levels needed to fully ignore my mx blues also sometimes ignored my voice.
      - brownbat 8y ago
        Mumble offers signal to noise detection that can be more effective than amplitude detection in many but not all situations. I'm surprised it hasn't caught on more widely. Edited for tone.
      - gravypod 8y ago
        Do you have a pop filter or a foam head? That will help.
      - comex 8y ago
        How close is the Blue Yeti to your face (and to the keyboard)? You might be able to do better with a headset.
- jasonlotito 8y ago
  This is not high enough. Spending a few minutes setting voice activation is critical, and can go a long way toward helping with issues people have with voice activation. Background sounds should not trigger voice. Typing should not trigger voice. The issues is many people don't do this, and so make the assumption that voice activation is bad. Couple that with people not being considerate of others (such as not muting when you do need to make noise that will be picked up), it gives voice activation a bad rap. But in terms of pure quality, voice activation is always, in my mind, better than PTT. Granted, the last few years I've only really ever played with friends and in small groups, so when people forget, we aren't righteous assholes about it.
  - jjwiseman 8y ago
    Background sounds should not trigger voice. Typing should not trigger voice. That's right. Voice activity detection (VAD) is not the same as sound detection. WebRTC even has a really good VAD built into it that is extremely easy to use and dynamically adapts to the current audio environment. See e.g. https://github.com/wiseman/py-webrtcvad https://github.com/wiseman/py-webrtcvad and https://github.com/dpirch/libfvad https://github.com/dpirch/libfvad for examples where the relatively small VAD code has been pulled out of the giant webrtc corpus. People also need to know to enable AEC in their audio driver, which completely solves the problem of whatever sounds they're playing leaking into their mic.
- jplayer01 8y ago
  I'd rather slit my wrists than have to herd a raid team any more than I already have to by micromanaging their voice settings. PTT or mute.
  - 946789987649 8y ago
    Voice activation levels are set by the person themselves. You don't manage someone's for them, you can change someone else's volume.
    - jplayer01 8y ago
      And who makes them change it? I would have to micromanage every single person into setting their voice activation right.
      - 946789987649 8y ago
        Yeah, once. If you can't even be bothered to do that, raid leading (hell, even just raiding) isn't for you. There's a lot more frustration to come.
        jplayer01 8y ago
        Been doing it for a couple of years. It's not as simple as you think to deal with something like this. If you think it's a once and done deal, you've obviously never had to deal with stuff like this in a group of more than 5 people.
        gsich 8y ago
        It is. Don't extrapolate your experience to a broader set.
        jplayer01 8y ago
        It isn’t. Setups change. Stuff gets uninstalled and reinstalled. Old members leave, new ones join. Environments change. Fiddling with that shit isn’t worth the effort and it’s a complete waste of time when a perfect solution exists.