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Do you have a source aside from Jordan Peterson?

by 0x2a 8y ago

stcredzero 8y ago
Look up his. He's a widely cited psychological researcher, and regarded as an authority by other researchers. His lectures like this one are based on specific research.
- cultus 8y ago
  He is quite far outside of the psychological mainstream. Many of the ideas in his books qualify as pseudoscience. He has only become popular because he says what far right individuals want to hear. It is all banal well-trodden ideas dressed up.
  - EdSharkey 8y ago
    Yes, JBP does have quite a persuasive song and dance that bedevils his detractors - he is a slippery one! Even so, his research is widely cited as GP stated: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en It is an inconvenient fact that scientific and scholarly study does occur whose conclusions will not agree with our deeply-held ideologies. Just take it all in and try not to take any offense when you get rude surprises. If your preconceived notions are any good, they'll survive and you can save the cheap potshots.
    - dnomad 8y ago
      > Even so, his research is widely cited as GP stated: Isn't it funny that you still can't answer the basic original question: where are JBP's sources for his extraordinary claims? Instead of giving us a song and a dance about ideologies and other nonsense why not just answer the damn question?
      - EdSharkey 8y ago
        I don't know if you and I can see eye-to-eye on the reasons for and the importance of having one's articles cited by the rest of the academic community. Citations of one's work indicates thought leadership in the academic community regardless of how much you personally disagree with those thoughts. Before I waste my time digging up useful bibliographies and citations that JBP draws from, I'd like to know that you aren't a complete ideologue, haven't already made up your mind, and are willing to have a discussion. Is suspect you cannot separate the agenda-driven, public showman JBP who draws his material from the legit scientist and natural philosopher, published JBP because you abhor the agenda.
        dnomad 8y ago
        You keep making excuses. Let's review: > Just as we're wired up to consume fat and sugar whenever we come across it, we're basically wired up to start marauding our neighbors if they're way richer than we are. This is an extraordinary claim. JBP is irrelevant. I'd be interested in any citations to any literature that supports this claim. I suspect you have zero reputable sources which is why you've fixated on JBP and "agenda"s etc. Historically, massive inequality has been the norm. There's likely never been a landed society that did not exhibit severe inequality. If humans were "wired up" to commit violence in the face of inequality history would be very different. Instead massively unequal societies like Pharaonic Egypt can be stable for thousands of years. Revolts have always been rare and they don't emerge until (1) things get really bad eg biblical revolutions driven by famine and (2) the formation of a counter-elite that organizes the poor eg most modern revolutions, American, French, Russian. Regardless of whatever nonsense JBP spouts and regardless of his academic work (absolutely none of which, on cursory glance, involve economics or history or politics) I would hope that the historical record is plain to all and "facts" that contravene the historical record are rejected prima facie. By the way there is a strong link between poverty and violence but I think most researchers accept that this is very much a modern phenomenon.
        EdSharkey 8y ago
        I've never heard nor read that exact quote from JBP. Can you at least tell me where you got that from so I can get some context? If you're paraphrasing, please just copy the full quote.
  - Presquare 8y ago
    For people not aware of Peterson, I want you not to take the parent comment seriously. Peterson is a highly polarizing figure, and people tend to have very strong positive/negative opinions about him. Thus the parent comment is an example of someone feeling very negatively about him, and not an accurate representation of him or his ideas.
    - 0x2a 8y ago
      It’s not though. What was stated is pretty well documented: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
      - EdSharkey 8y ago
        This wiki page is just hater trash that can't be taken seriously.
    - yourbandsucks 8y ago
      Peterson advocates an all beef diet. Not a low carb diet, literally only. beef. Your call whether he's a crank.
  - Kye 8y ago
    I've only heard of him through his twisted ideas on trans people, but I suspected that only scratched the surface.

Do you have a source aside from Jordan Peterson?

by 0x2a 8y ago

Do you have a source aside from Jordan Peterson?

Look up his. He's a widely cited psychological researcher, and regarded as an authority by other researchers. His lectures like this one are based on specific research.

cultus 8y ago
He is quite far outside of the psychological mainstream. Many of the ideas in his books qualify as pseudoscience. He has only become popular because he says what far right individuals want to hear. It is all banal well-trodden ideas dressed up.
- EdSharkey 8y ago
  Yes, JBP does have quite a persuasive song and dance that bedevils his detractors - he is a slippery one! Even so, his research is widely cited as GP stated: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en It is an inconvenient fact that scientific and scholarly study does occur whose conclusions will not agree with our deeply-held ideologies. Just take it all in and try not to take any offense when you get rude surprises. If your preconceived notions are any good, they'll survive and you can save the cheap potshots.
  - dnomad 8y ago
    > Even so, his research is widely cited as GP stated: Isn't it funny that you still can't answer the basic original question: where are JBP's sources for his extraordinary claims? Instead of giving us a song and a dance about ideologies and other nonsense why not just answer the damn question?
    - EdSharkey 8y ago
      I don't know if you and I can see eye-to-eye on the reasons for and the importance of having one's articles cited by the rest of the academic community. Citations of one's work indicates thought leadership in the academic community regardless of how much you personally disagree with those thoughts. Before I waste my time digging up useful bibliographies and citations that JBP draws from, I'd like to know that you aren't a complete ideologue, haven't already made up your mind, and are willing to have a discussion. Is suspect you cannot separate the agenda-driven, public showman JBP who draws his material from the legit scientist and natural philosopher, published JBP because you abhor the agenda.
      - dnomad 8y ago
        You keep making excuses. Let's review: > Just as we're wired up to consume fat and sugar whenever we come across it, we're basically wired up to start marauding our neighbors if they're way richer than we are. This is an extraordinary claim. JBP is irrelevant. I'd be interested in any citations to any literature that supports this claim. I suspect you have zero reputable sources which is why you've fixated on JBP and "agenda"s etc. Historically, massive inequality has been the norm. There's likely never been a landed society that did not exhibit severe inequality. If humans were "wired up" to commit violence in the face of inequality history would be very different. Instead massively unequal societies like Pharaonic Egypt can be stable for thousands of years. Revolts have always been rare and they don't emerge until (1) things get really bad eg biblical revolutions driven by famine and (2) the formation of a counter-elite that organizes the poor eg most modern revolutions, American, French, Russian. Regardless of whatever nonsense JBP spouts and regardless of his academic work (absolutely none of which, on cursory glance, involve economics or history or politics) I would hope that the historical record is plain to all and "facts" that contravene the historical record are rejected prima facie. By the way there is a strong link between poverty and violence but I think most researchers accept that this is very much a modern phenomenon.
        EdSharkey 8y ago
        I've never heard nor read that exact quote from JBP. Can you at least tell me where you got that from so I can get some context? If you're paraphrasing, please just copy the full quote.
- Presquare 8y ago
  For people not aware of Peterson, I want you not to take the parent comment seriously. Peterson is a highly polarizing figure, and people tend to have very strong positive/negative opinions about him. Thus the parent comment is an example of someone feeling very negatively about him, and not an accurate representation of him or his ideas.
  - 0x2a 8y ago
    It’s not though. What was stated is pretty well documented: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
    - EdSharkey 8y ago
      This wiki page is just hater trash that can't be taken seriously.
  - yourbandsucks 8y ago
    Peterson advocates an all beef diet. Not a low carb diet, literally only. beef. Your call whether he's a crank.
- Kye 8y ago
  I've only heard of him through his twisted ideas on trans people, but I suspected that only scratched the surface.