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Ken Jebsen is an anti-American, right wing conspiracy theorist Both he and Willy Wimmer toe the Kremlin line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KenFM https://en.wi

Ken Jebsen is an anti-American, right wing conspiracy theorist Both he and Willy Wimmer toe the Kremlin line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KenFM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KenFM https://www.tagesspiegel.de/medien/juergen-elsaesser-und-sein-compact-magazin-ein-netzwerk-fuer-putin-und-pegida/12194382.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/medien/juergen-elsaesser-und-sei...

vetinari 8y ago
Tagesspiel is a part of the Lügenpresse network. See how easy is to label someone? Address the points, do not ad-hominem the messenger. Wimmer spent decades in CDU, with results to show. He "toes the Kremlin line" because he disagreed with the wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan, and we cannot have that.
- Udo_Schmitz 8y ago
  My comment is by definition not ad hominem. The part of the interview you quoted is low on facts and consists mainly of opinion. I would like to help the non-German audience on Hacker News to be able to classify the positions of the persons involved. That is why I also provided links with sources. Ken Jebsen and Willy Wimmer are part of what we call in Germany the “Querfront”: that literally translates to “cross-front” and in the historical sense is the term used for anti-democratic strategies to combine the opposing ideologies of nationalism and socialism in order to assume political power in the Weimar Republic. Internationally the modern iteration is known as “Third Position”. Today you can find those positions in every political party. They have in common that their positions are anti-American, anti-NATO and pro-Putin. So Mr. Wimmers CDU membership doesn't come in to play. My translation from the introduction of “Rechte Hetze im Netz - eine unterschätzte Gefahr” by Patrick Gensing: “This heated atmosphere is fired by pro-Russian strategists who propagate a close alliance with Putins Russia. The result is a cross-front that wants to impose an authoritarian-nationalist system.” https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Querfront#Rechtspopulismus https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Querfront#Rechtspopulismus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position
mistermann 8y ago
That may be, but what matters is whether the above conversation is a reasonably accurate representation of what has actually transpired. Is what they say true or false, generally speaking?
- Udo_Schmitz 8y ago
  Like I just wrote in another comment: the quoted part of the interview is low on facts and consists mainly of opinion. Yes, the U.S. tapped Merkel's phone. Russia and China spy on Germany as well, though I don't know how good their phone tap capabilities are. That headlines like “Vladimir Putin has listened to cellphone of the German chancellor for ten years” “would lead to revolutionary circumstances in Germany” is total nonsense in my opinion. I assume Jebsen and Wimmer try to suggest that Germany is not a sovereign state. Points like that are often made in their circles and link to the “Reichsbürgerbewegung”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbürgerbewegung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbürgerbewegung

vetinari 8y ago

Tagesspiel is a part of the Lügenpresse network. See how easy is to label someone? Address the points, do not ad-hominem the messenger. Wimmer spent decades in CDU, with results to show. He "toes the Kremlin line" because he disagreed with the wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan, and we cannot have that.

Udo_Schmitz 8y ago
My comment is by definition not ad hominem. The part of the interview you quoted is low on facts and consists mainly of opinion. I would like to help the non-German audience on Hacker News to be able to classify the positions of the persons involved. That is why I also provided links with sources. Ken Jebsen and Willy Wimmer are part of what we call in Germany the “Querfront”: that literally translates to “cross-front” and in the historical sense is the term used for anti-democratic strategies to combine the opposing ideologies of nationalism and socialism in order to assume political power in the Weimar Republic. Internationally the modern iteration is known as “Third Position”. Today you can find those positions in every political party. They have in common that their positions are anti-American, anti-NATO and pro-Putin. So Mr. Wimmers CDU membership doesn't come in to play. My translation from the introduction of “Rechte Hetze im Netz - eine unterschätzte Gefahr” by Patrick Gensing: “This heated atmosphere is fired by pro-Russian strategists who propagate a close alliance with Putins Russia. The result is a cross-front that wants to impose an authoritarian-nationalist system.” https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Querfront#Rechtspopulismus https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Querfront#Rechtspopulismus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position

mistermann 8y ago

That may be, but what matters is whether the above conversation is a reasonably accurate representation of what has actually transpired. Is what they say true or false, generally speaking?

Udo_Schmitz 8y ago
Like I just wrote in another comment: the quoted part of the interview is low on facts and consists mainly of opinion. Yes, the U.S. tapped Merkel's phone. Russia and China spy on Germany as well, though I don't know how good their phone tap capabilities are. That headlines like “Vladimir Putin has listened to cellphone of the German chancellor for ten years” “would lead to revolutionary circumstances in Germany” is total nonsense in my opinion. I assume Jebsen and Wimmer try to suggest that Germany is not a sovereign state. Points like that are often made in their circles and link to the “Reichsbürgerbewegung”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbürgerbewegung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbürgerbewegung