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People are missing the entire point. This was never just about Australia doing it. It's a proposal by Australia AS PART OF THE 5 EYES to bring this in. They're

People are missing the entire point. This was never just about Australia doing it. It's a proposal by Australia AS PART OF THE 5 EYES to bring this in. They're absolutely planning for this to roll out to all the 5 Eyes countries. If we really want to quash this, we need to start making that clear to everyone in the UK, US, CA, NZ, and AU, that this effects ALL of us. They're just using Australia to launch it for this exact reason, 95% of the population of the 5 Eyes will think they're not effected, not fight it, and it'll pass. Then good luck stopping their momentum.

cyphar 8y ago
It's my understanding that once Australia passes it there's no need for the other 5 Eyes countries to pass it, since they have agreements to be able to send data they've collected to other 5 Eyes countries. Which means that they could just send all of the data to Australia and have the encryption broken (as-a-Service you might say). Unfortunately I was out of the country when this whole shitshow went down. I sent an email, but I'm going to go see my Federal MP in person tomorrow.
- gtvwill 8y ago
  ^^^ hit the nail on the head. Its exactly what happens.
- fit2rule 8y ago
  It works in other ways too - for example, the ADF can do things that the American military can't. Thus, the Americans come calling to their Australia partners in crime when they want some nefarious deed done on the battlefield... and Australians just roll over and let it happen - as long as there are avocado's to smash, Australians just don't care what their government is up to.
  - cyphar 8y ago
    And even shit that the ADF is not allowed to do, they do anyway because there's almost no chance anyone will find out about it (especially with the new 10-year mandatory minimum punishments for leaking government information) and even if they did find out about it they can always hold an inquiry that provides weak recommendations that nobody ends up following. The whole fucking thing is a farce.
    - fit2rule 8y ago
      It is such a travesty of democratic principles I have personally decided to not have anything to do with the place, and abandoned the continent. "I probably won't go back, at least not before I switch citizenships in protest."- Oops, I just broke the Australian sedition law. Not allowed to talk about that, either. -note:quotes

cyphar 8y ago

It's my understanding that once Australia passes it there's no need for the other 5 Eyes countries to pass it, since they have agreements to be able to send data they've collected to other 5 Eyes countries. Which means that they could just send all of the data to Australia and have the encryption broken (as-a-Service you might say). Unfortunately I was out of the country when this whole shitshow went down. I sent an email, but I'm going to go see my Federal MP in person tomorrow.

gtvwill 8y ago
^^^ hit the nail on the head. Its exactly what happens.
fit2rule 8y ago
It works in other ways too - for example, the ADF can do things that the American military can't. Thus, the Americans come calling to their Australia partners in crime when they want some nefarious deed done on the battlefield... and Australians just roll over and let it happen - as long as there are avocado's to smash, Australians just don't care what their government is up to.
- cyphar 8y ago
  And even shit that the ADF is not allowed to do, they do anyway because there's almost no chance anyone will find out about it (especially with the new 10-year mandatory minimum punishments for leaking government information) and even if they did find out about it they can always hold an inquiry that provides weak recommendations that nobody ends up following. The whole fucking thing is a farce.
  - fit2rule 8y ago
    It is such a travesty of democratic principles I have personally decided to not have anything to do with the place, and abandoned the continent. "I probably won't go back, at least not before I switch citizenships in protest."- Oops, I just broke the Australian sedition law. Not allowed to talk about that, either. -note:quotes