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I'm sure it's incredibly difficult to defend your country against endless attacks and probing for weaknesses, as Israel faces. But I think they aren't doing a g

I'm sure it's incredibly difficult to defend your country against endless attacks and probing for weaknesses, as Israel faces. But I think they aren't doing a good job protecting the lives of non-combatants like the Palestinian protesters who have been killed over and over again, met with live fire, as happened this summer. It's just not acceptable to shoot relatively indiscriminately into crowded areas when you aren't under immediate attack. I've never really heard any explanation about why shooting hundreds of people, including aid workers is necessary. Here's an article I found at Reuters that talks about some of these things. The situation looks like a border defense area, and there has probably been shelling and the shots toward the station. There's some kind of fence, and at this time there are many hundreds to a thousand protesters. They approach the fence. You can't just shoot them. You've got to figure out how to control you military and not just maim protesters. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-protests-shooting/israeli-forces-kill-three-gaza-border-protesters-wound-600-medics-idUSKBN1HY205 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-prote...

vxNsr 8y ago
> I'm sure it's incredibly difficult to defend your country against endless attacks I'm not Israeli. I just find the left leaning dialog on this topic to myopic and one sided. > as happened this summer It was shown following an investigation that most of those killed with live fire were in fact armed terrorists. There was no "relative indiscriminate shooting into a crowded area." There was targeted sniper fire at terrorist hiding among agitated people intent on breaking through a recognized border in an attempt to do real bodily harm to Israeli citizens. The fact that you've phrased things the way you have makes it pretty clear that you do not in anyway believe that Jews have a right to life. In addition this was in no way a peaceful protest of civilians, it was an angry mob that was flinging molotov cocktails, burning and bomb laden kites and balloons, burning tires and all sorts of other things in an attempt to break through a designated border area that they were repeatedly warned away from. There was a "nurse" who turned out to be throwing grenades who was shot but for a good 48 hours the left-leaning publications ran with a story that the Israelis had killed her in cold blood until the video was released of her throwing grenades. There was video of a child "shot and killed" who was later "shot and killed" again in different clothing before being seen in a later video getting up from the ambulance and walking away. More innocent civilians have been killed in the ukrainian civil war in the last two years than by Israel in the last 10. > You've got to figure out how to control you military and not just maim protesters. The military is under rigid control, so much so that their lives are often in the balance because they're afraid to use the necessary force for fear of unfounded international condemnation.
- Latteland 8y ago
  Can you provide a reference for the fact there were were armed terrorists? I just did a web search on this and found that there were investigations about the live firing by the Israeli military (https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-idf-opens-criminal-probes-into-pair-of-deaths-in-gaza-border-clashes/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-idf-opens-criminal-pr...) and that some of those protesting and injured or killed were in fact terrorists but they were just marching with the crowd and weren't armed (https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-5-members-among-16-said-killed-during-fridays-mass-border-protest/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-5-members-among-16-...). I mean it could be that it was a massive terrorist tricky attack, but all evidence that I see is that it was not terrorists who were approaching the border. Any you are very wrong that "I do not in anyway believe that Jews have a right to life". I do think they have a right to a safe life and protection, just like I want for Palestinians. But I don't think anyone's right to protection extends to indiscriminate killings just because they feel a little bit threatened; of course this applies to my own country too, the us.

vxNsr 8y ago

> I'm sure it's incredibly difficult to defend your country against endless attacks I'm not Israeli. I just find the left leaning dialog on this topic to myopic and one sided. > as happened this summer It was shown following an investigation that most of those killed with live fire were in fact armed terrorists. There was no "relative indiscriminate shooting into a crowded area." There was targeted sniper fire at terrorist hiding among agitated people intent on breaking through a recognized border in an attempt to do real bodily harm to Israeli citizens. The fact that you've phrased things the way you have makes it pretty clear that you do not in anyway believe that Jews have a right to life. In addition this was in no way a peaceful protest of civilians, it was an angry mob that was flinging molotov cocktails, burning and bomb laden kites and balloons, burning tires and all sorts of other things in an attempt to break through a designated border area that they were repeatedly warned away from. There was a "nurse" who turned out to be throwing grenades who was shot but for a good 48 hours the left-leaning publications ran with a story that the Israelis had killed her in cold blood until the video was released of her throwing grenades. There was video of a child "shot and killed" who was later "shot and killed" again in different clothing before being seen in a later video getting up from the ambulance and walking away. More innocent civilians have been killed in the ukrainian civil war in the last two years than by Israel in the last 10. > You've got to figure out how to control you military and not just maim protesters. The military is under rigid control, so much so that their lives are often in the balance because they're afraid to use the necessary force for fear of unfounded international condemnation.

Latteland 8y ago
Can you provide a reference for the fact there were were armed terrorists? I just did a web search on this and found that there were investigations about the live firing by the Israeli military (https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-idf-opens-criminal-probes-into-pair-of-deaths-in-gaza-border-clashes/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-idf-opens-criminal-pr...) and that some of those protesting and injured or killed were in fact terrorists but they were just marching with the crowd and weren't armed (https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-5-members-among-16-said-killed-during-fridays-mass-border-protest/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-5-members-among-16-...). I mean it could be that it was a massive terrorist tricky attack, but all evidence that I see is that it was not terrorists who were approaching the border. Any you are very wrong that "I do not in anyway believe that Jews have a right to life". I do think they have a right to a safe life and protection, just like I want for Palestinians. But I don't think anyone's right to protection extends to indiscriminate killings just because they feel a little bit threatened; of course this applies to my own country too, the us.