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But in the context of this article, I don't think it matters if people truly believe in the madness, or if they purposely put themselves behind it. You still en

But in the context of this article, I don't think it matters if people truly believe in the madness, or if they purposely put themselves behind it. You still end up with atrocities. Say Nazis weren't lied too, say all the way up, people really just had these false impressions. You make decisions that affect others, you're responsible for them. If you made a mistake, used falsehoods as your basis for the decisions, and did atrocious things, or, you did them willingly, I don't know. They're both bad. If thinking it's a lie pushes you to validate the truthfulness of your knowledge, then so be it. Even if you weren't lied to. It's all about that constant active search for the truth, and a certain amount of challenging what you hear, criticizing the so called facts, and looking a little harder. Tommy should know better. If he goes on living with that false belief of numbers, he's a threat to society. He'll make wrong choices, miscalculation, and his judgment can't be trusted. The same as if he was a liar. We should teach people this responsibility. You have to put in the effort to rid yourself of falsehoods and be a truth seeker. Also, most people should be able to judge their confidence in their knowledge. A lot of people end up doing things even though if they spent a few minutes thinking about it, they would know that they're not sure about this. Yet they do it anyway. That's getting pretty close to a lie.

yesenadam 8y ago
(Sorry, I didn't read the article.) Well, I find that point of view....extremely strange. Yes, people make mistakes, get things wrong. You can't learn without making mistakes. One definition of an expert is "Someone who's made all the mistakes there is to make, in a very narrow field." Lying is a whole other thing. If you don't know that, I'm not sure what to say to you. It's as if I'd said "You shouldn't correct children when they make mistakes". I think there must be some misunderstanding, because I literally can't believe you can't see the difference, or think it means nothing.
- didibus 8y ago
  I think you should read the article, I'm talking in relation to it, and children is absolutly a terrible analogy for what I'm talking about. I know its not the same thing. But I don't see how it matters to the article. The article is about how falsehoods and lies can cause fear and lead to chaos (amongst other things). Such as what happened in world war 2, where countries turned against each others and targeted Jews. In that sense, I don't think it matters, you believe Jews are responsible for all your problems and up to get you, so you go commit genocide against them. Does it matter if that idea was a lie or a falsehood? What if Hitler truly believed it? Okay, its a falsehood. So what? He just made a mistake? Everyone makes mistakes? That's my point. How could all this happen? Suddenly, a falsehood or a lie turned rogue, doesn't matter, but somehow everyone has these ideas, and the whole world starts to act irrationally. You're a politician, you need to validate your claims before claiming them. You should fact check, have a confidence ratio, justify yourself. You can't just go: "oh sorry, I guess it was false, I just didn't know" after you've already rallied, propagated and enacted laws and decree based on it. But it seems you're trying to claim that spreading falsehoods as a politician isn't as bad as spreading lies. Like if spreading falsehoods was okay. I don't think it is. It's just as bad, and can, and has, lead to great historical atrocities in the past.

yesenadam 8y ago

(Sorry, I didn't read the article.) Well, I find that point of view....extremely strange. Yes, people make mistakes, get things wrong. You can't learn without making mistakes. One definition of an expert is "Someone who's made all the mistakes there is to make, in a very narrow field." Lying is a whole other thing. If you don't know that, I'm not sure what to say to you. It's as if I'd said "You shouldn't correct children when they make mistakes". I think there must be some misunderstanding, because I literally can't believe you can't see the difference, or think it means nothing.

didibus 8y ago
I think you should read the article, I'm talking in relation to it, and children is absolutly a terrible analogy for what I'm talking about. I know its not the same thing. But I don't see how it matters to the article. The article is about how falsehoods and lies can cause fear and lead to chaos (amongst other things). Such as what happened in world war 2, where countries turned against each others and targeted Jews. In that sense, I don't think it matters, you believe Jews are responsible for all your problems and up to get you, so you go commit genocide against them. Does it matter if that idea was a lie or a falsehood? What if Hitler truly believed it? Okay, its a falsehood. So what? He just made a mistake? Everyone makes mistakes? That's my point. How could all this happen? Suddenly, a falsehood or a lie turned rogue, doesn't matter, but somehow everyone has these ideas, and the whole world starts to act irrationally. You're a politician, you need to validate your claims before claiming them. You should fact check, have a confidence ratio, justify yourself. You can't just go: "oh sorry, I guess it was false, I just didn't know" after you've already rallied, propagated and enacted laws and decree based on it. But it seems you're trying to claim that spreading falsehoods as a politician isn't as bad as spreading lies. Like if spreading falsehoods was okay. I don't think it is. It's just as bad, and can, and has, lead to great historical atrocities in the past.