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I will never understand why a gender difference is necessarily a negative thing. In some developing countries (Tunisia), females compose 60% of people in STEM f

I will never understand why a gender difference is necessarily a negative thing. In some developing countries (Tunisia), females compose 60% of people in STEM fields, which is simply due to economic difficulties, STEM jobs pay more so that's where everyone wants to be. Following the same logic, less women in STEM means that they are prioritizing other things than their economic well-being which is taken care of (better life style in the developed world).

danharaj 8y ago
In which year did social forces that marginalized women in STEM fields become negligible? They were obviously substantial in, say, 1963. And I think it's mostly accepted that such forces have become weaker over time. Now, how does one deduce when the work of reducing those marginalizing social forces is done? Maybe its unreasonable for advocates of increasing representation of women in STEM to take their benchmark as equal representation. Maybe that's too naive. But what alternative goal do people who say it is too naive provide? No matter which time period you choose, the same cohort makes the argument that representation in their era is just fine, or even overtuned. That's not honest disagreement. One can come up with hypotheses to explain any distribution in any industry along any lines. That's not constructive.
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- pochamago 8y ago
  Women have vastly more scholarship opportunities than men. The number of programs pushing women into STEM vastly outnumbers those doing the same for men. Every department openly pushes for equality. Women outnumber men in University, in high school graduation, and in college graduation. If the factor keeping the stem disparity in place is implicit bias, it is one of the strongest social forces ever to exist
  - danharaj 8y ago
    > If the factor keeping the stem disparity in place is implicit bias, it is one of the strongest social forces ever to exist Gender? Yea. Gender may very well be the most powerful, persistent, and ancient of social forces.
- wu-ikkyu 8y ago
  >In which year did social forces that marginalized women in STEM fields become negligible? What social forces?
lykr0n 8y ago
It's not- as long as there is no gate keeping. Men and Women are fundamentally different. It's not a stretch to say each group is drawn to different subject matters.

danharaj 8y ago

In which year did social forces that marginalized women in STEM fields become negligible? They were obviously substantial in, say, 1963. And I think it's mostly accepted that such forces have become weaker over time. Now, how does one deduce when the work of reducing those marginalizing social forces is done? Maybe its unreasonable for advocates of increasing representation of women in STEM to take their benchmark as equal representation. Maybe that's too naive. But what alternative goal do people who say it is too naive provide? No matter which time period you choose, the same cohort makes the argument that representation in their era is just fine, or even overtuned. That's not honest disagreement. One can come up with hypotheses to explain any distribution in any industry along any lines. That's not constructive.

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pochamago 8y ago
Women have vastly more scholarship opportunities than men. The number of programs pushing women into STEM vastly outnumbers those doing the same for men. Every department openly pushes for equality. Women outnumber men in University, in high school graduation, and in college graduation. If the factor keeping the stem disparity in place is implicit bias, it is one of the strongest social forces ever to exist
- danharaj 8y ago
  > If the factor keeping the stem disparity in place is implicit bias, it is one of the strongest social forces ever to exist Gender? Yea. Gender may very well be the most powerful, persistent, and ancient of social forces.
wu-ikkyu 8y ago
>In which year did social forces that marginalized women in STEM fields become negligible? What social forces?

lykr0n 8y ago

It's not- as long as there is no gate keeping. Men and Women are fundamentally different. It's not a stretch to say each group is drawn to different subject matters.