Sure they do. Every Java code base I've seen, including stuff written in the past year, using Java 8, with a mix of senior and junior developers (i.e., both tho

Sure they do. Every Java code base I've seen, including stuff written in the past year, using Java 8, with a mix of senior and junior developers (i.e., both those who cut their teeth on Java < 8, and those who learned > 8) was bloated. I'm thinking of one thing I'm dealing with now; 30 classes, 1800 lines (admittedly, using wc -l, so variable declarations and getters/setters are counted, but that is still visual space I had to skim through to figure out what it was doing. Oh, and that was -after- I removed some of the more obvious cruft), all of it proper OO...or I could have gotten it done in < 200 lines of Node in 1-3 files. All it does is accept a REST call, validate a bunch of parameters, check to see if the result is cached, if not, makes a request elsewhere and cache the result. The myth of the myth of Java code only serves people defending Java academically, and those hung up on defending a language that enourages and defaults to bloat in any sort of shared coding environment. It doesn't seem to have any practical basis.