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My own anecdotal experience working with corporate recruiters and hiring managers is that, no one really cares about education compared to experience (outside o

My own anecdotal experience working with corporate recruiters and hiring managers is that, no one really cares about education compared to experience (outside of maybe a "wow, nice" when seeing a PhD), but they are all scared to not put the typical boilerplate "Bachelors degree or related experience" line at the top of the job post. I've noticed a trend lately for more progressive companies to leave this bit out in the name of diversity, hopefully this catches enough that it just becomes the norm. Note that I'm a software engineer who dropped out of college, so you can take what I say with a few grains of salt. :)

zahrc 8y ago
Germany has a interesting education system after you finish school[0] And in my very own experience companies favoured me over people with "only" university degrees, simply because of my work experience + the knowledge I acquired, even tho the knowledge was probably less in-depth. There are also corporative study programs, but the majority either studies or does [0] [0]https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/for-qualified-professionals/training-learning/training/vocational-training-in-germany-how-does-it-work https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/for-qualified-professi...
randomdata 8y ago
> but they are all scared to not put the typical boilerplate "Bachelors degree or related experience" line at the top of the job post Makes sense though. The only reason businesses ever started putting "bachelor degree required" on job ads is to help protect themselves in case of a hiring discrimination lawsuit. I provides a defence of "We didn't hire <person of minority> because they did not have the required degree." Courts have shown a willingness to accept this defence. It is not there as information for job seekers, but to keep the lawyers happy.
- derekp7 8y ago
  But if it can be shown that a number of people were hired in spite of not having a degree, does that defense then become worthless?
  - randomdata 8y ago
    Yes. Which is why, in more recent times, businesses have started to transition to "Bachelors degree or related experience", as it can be claimed that those who work there had the required experience where the person bringing the case forward did not.
amrx431 8y ago
Not applicable globally. For example in my country a degree is an absolute must.Even those companies that dont care about degrees in US and have their subsidiary here, do a serious gatekeeping with respect to educational qualifications. You must have an undergrad degree in CS and that too from reputed schools.
- dbattaglia 8y ago
  Right good point, I should have mentioned my hiring involvement was very much NYC / USA focused. What country are you from if you don’t mind me asking?
- azamatms 8y ago
  Which country is that?
  - midoreigh 8y ago
    India for example
    - booleandilemma 8y ago
      Don’t a lot of them cheat there anyway? https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/09/india-tried-to-stop-cheating-in-school-so-half-a-million-students-just-skipped-exams/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/20... https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/03/india-school-exam-season-cheating-mafia- https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/03/india-school-e...

zahrc 8y ago

Germany has a interesting education system after you finish school[0] And in my very own experience companies favoured me over people with "only" university degrees, simply because of my work experience + the knowledge I acquired, even tho the knowledge was probably less in-depth. There are also corporative study programs, but the majority either studies or does [0] [0]https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/for-qualified-professionals/training-learning/training/vocational-training-in-germany-how-does-it-work https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/for-qualified-professi...

randomdata 8y ago

> but they are all scared to not put the typical boilerplate "Bachelors degree or related experience" line at the top of the job post Makes sense though. The only reason businesses ever started putting "bachelor degree required" on job ads is to help protect themselves in case of a hiring discrimination lawsuit. I provides a defence of "We didn't hire <person of minority> because they did not have the required degree." Courts have shown a willingness to accept this defence. It is not there as information for job seekers, but to keep the lawyers happy.

derekp7 8y ago
But if it can be shown that a number of people were hired in spite of not having a degree, does that defense then become worthless?
- randomdata 8y ago
  Yes. Which is why, in more recent times, businesses have started to transition to "Bachelors degree or related experience", as it can be claimed that those who work there had the required experience where the person bringing the case forward did not.

amrx431 8y ago

Not applicable globally. For example in my country a degree is an absolute must.Even those companies that dont care about degrees in US and have their subsidiary here, do a serious gatekeeping with respect to educational qualifications. You must have an undergrad degree in CS and that too from reputed schools.

dbattaglia 8y ago
Right good point, I should have mentioned my hiring involvement was very much NYC / USA focused. What country are you from if you don’t mind me asking?
azamatms 8y ago
Which country is that?
- midoreigh 8y ago
  India for example
  - booleandilemma 8y ago
    Don’t a lot of them cheat there anyway? https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/09/india-tried-to-stop-cheating-in-school-so-half-a-million-students-just-skipped-exams/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/20... https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/03/india-school-exam-season-cheating-mafia- https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/03/india-school-e...