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And people still wonder why it is taking so long to find a "cure". Everyone invovled is incentivized to never actually get to a point where "cancer" is a solved

by aviv 8y ago

And people still wonder why it is taking so long to find a "cure". Everyone invovled is incentivized to never actually get to a point where "cancer" is a solved problem. Of course, that is beside the point. One of the most effective treatments remains a series of prolonged dry or water fasts. ~10 and ~40 days respectively. But because no one can patent it or make $3M a year in kickbacks, I doubt it will ever be known to the mainstream in my lifetime.

saagarjha 8y ago
There is no one “cure” to cancer. Each cancer requires its own set of treatments.
- aviv 8y ago
  No. Absolutely not true. There are no 100 types of cancer. This is just the medical world concept of selling you on the equivalent to 100 types of morning cereal. There are of course different locations in the body where these damaged cells are located, but that's all there is to it. We turned a very very simple concept of damaged cells that the body cannot repair using the lymphatic system and flush out of the kidneys due to constant state of acidosis into a trillion dollar boogieman.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    I am not a medical expert, but as far as I am aware there are different treatments for different cancers, all tailored to be the most effective for that particular type.
araker 8y ago
Could you provide some sources to back this claim?
jeswin 8y ago
> One of the most effective treatments remains a prolonged dry or water fast. What are the best sources you have seen to support this? I have seen articles via Google, but I'd like to see more sources. (Writing this comment sitting next to a cancer fighter on a 48-hr chemo session.)
Gatsky 8y ago
This sort of thing has been tested in animal models and it doesn't work. It is also completely implausible, but that's beside the point, you are unlikely to be convinced I suppose. There are clinical trials of fasting in cancer patients. These have been designed by careful and ethical scientists and doctors. They are looking currently at whether fasting can improve the efficacy or tolerance of chemotherapy. It is frankly stupid to take an already malnourished individual and make them fast for 40 days.
- aviv 8y ago
  The reason I will not be convinced is that in the last 20 years I have seen first hand hundreds of people cure such diseases from Crohn's to many types of cancer by fasting. The only times people have not been as successful as others is when fasting was preceded by chemotherapy/radiation which frankly destroy the body and for the most part is a death sentence one way or another. And you are flat out wrong about your last point. Fasting is the biggest gift you can give your body, including and especially when it appears weaker due to a disease.
  - jstandard 8y ago
    Are there any studies or support you can give behind your claims? Just as you're skeptical of research in the area, I'm skeptical of people claiming to have seen "hundreds of people" cured of diseases by something as simple as fasting.

by aviv 8y ago

saagarjha 8y ago

There is no one “cure” to cancer. Each cancer requires its own set of treatments.

aviv 8y ago
No. Absolutely not true. There are no 100 types of cancer. This is just the medical world concept of selling you on the equivalent to 100 types of morning cereal. There are of course different locations in the body where these damaged cells are located, but that's all there is to it. We turned a very very simple concept of damaged cells that the body cannot repair using the lymphatic system and flush out of the kidneys due to constant state of acidosis into a trillion dollar boogieman.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  I am not a medical expert, but as far as I am aware there are different treatments for different cancers, all tailored to be the most effective for that particular type.

araker 8y ago

Could you provide some sources to back this claim?

jeswin 8y ago

> One of the most effective treatments remains a prolonged dry or water fast. What are the best sources you have seen to support this? I have seen articles via Google, but I'd like to see more sources. (Writing this comment sitting next to a cancer fighter on a 48-hr chemo session.)

Gatsky 8y ago

This sort of thing has been tested in animal models and it doesn't work. It is also completely implausible, but that's beside the point, you are unlikely to be convinced I suppose. There are clinical trials of fasting in cancer patients. These have been designed by careful and ethical scientists and doctors. They are looking currently at whether fasting can improve the efficacy or tolerance of chemotherapy. It is frankly stupid to take an already malnourished individual and make them fast for 40 days.

aviv 8y ago
The reason I will not be convinced is that in the last 20 years I have seen first hand hundreds of people cure such diseases from Crohn's to many types of cancer by fasting. The only times people have not been as successful as others is when fasting was preceded by chemotherapy/radiation which frankly destroy the body and for the most part is a death sentence one way or another. And you are flat out wrong about your last point. Fasting is the biggest gift you can give your body, including and especially when it appears weaker due to a disease.
- jstandard 8y ago
  Are there any studies or support you can give behind your claims? Just as you're skeptical of research in the area, I'm skeptical of people claiming to have seen "hundreds of people" cured of diseases by something as simple as fasting.