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I find Mail.app to have a terrible UX, but I did try it, thanks. My standing solution is to use one browser to log into big-G services, another to log into FB,

by rosser 8y ago

I find Mail.app to have a terrible UX, but I did try it, thanks. My standing solution is to use one browser to log into big-G services, another to log into FB, and a third for everything else.

epicide 8y ago
If you have a "zero inbox" type approach, I find Mail.app to be serviceable, but to each their own. There are a few others to try. I used Airmail a few years ago. However, be on the lookout for "native" email clients that are really just web gmail wrappers.
- rosser 8y ago
  I've been curious about Airmail, but I'm tiring of OSX, to the point that I'm leaning towards switching back to Linux.
  - lancesells 8y ago
    I've been a user of Airmail for a couple years and it's great. That said, they just had a security breach on macOS so I've stopped using it on that platform. https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/08/22/exploit-in-airmail-3-for-macos-can-send-a-users-data-to-attackers-by-simply-opening-an-email https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/08/22/exploit-in-airmai... I think I'll go back but I'm not sure.
    - shade 8y ago
      That article is from August 22 - I just checked in the MAS and the most recent Airmail update was the 25th and the changes specifically mention a URL security fix, so they may have addressed this already. I've also used Airmail on and off for years and quite like it, on both Mac and iOS. Mail.app isn't bad, but I've used labels heavily for years, including multiple labels on emails, and Mail doesn't seem to handle that scenario very well.
- eridius 8y ago
  I'm a fan of Spark. It's not perfect, but it's the best of the apps I've tried.
brennebeck 8y ago
Have you tried mailplaneapp.com?
- rosser 8y ago
  That looks really nice. If I end up staying with OSX, I'll give it a try. Thanks!
  - brennebeck 8y ago
    No. Can’t recommend it enough, to be honest. Their dev team/CS is also extremely responsive (I generally hear from Lars). Honestly, it’s the only way I can handle using gmail regularly.
    - brennebeck 8y ago
      I can no longer edit but the first part got cut, instead the "No" can just be removed, to clarify.
      - rosser 8y ago
        I read it as a think-o'ed "No problem." anyway.
tempestn 8y ago
Have you tried Firefox's multi-account containers? They might be more convenient than using multiple browsers.
- rosser 8y ago
  I have. Unfortunately, I run my screen at a scaled resolution, so Firefox routinely pegs a full core redrawing itself, and burns my battery like it was punctured. Until that's fixed, I can't use it as my primary browser. This saddens me, because I otherwise love it. EDIT: This is actually more reason for me to switch back to Linux; FF doesn't have this bug there.
  - nicoburns 8y ago
    I heard rumours this might be fixed in FF64 or FF65. It's certainly very needed!
  - tempestn 8y ago
    Huh, I also run scaled and haven't noticed that. Is it possible it's an add-on causing the extreme cpu usage?
  - MegaDeKay 8y ago
    Something like this came up the other day. Perhaps setting "gfx.compositor.glcontext.opaque" to true in about:config as suggested by pcwalton might help you until this bug is properly fixed? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17934764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17934764
    - rosser 8y ago
      It seems to have mitigated the issue some, but it hasn't eliminated it. I had somehow inferred from the web of related issues in the FF bug tracker that I'd need to use a nightly build for this to be effective. Thanks!
kstrauser 8y ago
It's totally OK not to like Mail.app, of course, but I'll still posit that you choose to use Gmail in your browser. You don't have to. You do have alternatives, but prefer your current multi-browser workflow. Again, that's perfectly alright! Just remember that if you reach the point that you can't stand it anymore, you do have other options available to you.
JoshMnem 8y ago
> My standing solution is to use one browser to log into big-G services, another to log into FB, and a third for everything else. Check out Firefox container tabs.[1] You can isolate sites within one browser and save the associations between containers and tabs. I use container tabs along with multiple Firefox profiles (for different combinations of browser extensions). [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers
marssaxman 8y ago
I do the same - I use Safari for Google services (since Apple is unlikely to collude with Google), I use Chrome to browse Facebook (since Google is unlikely to collude with Facebook), and I use Firefox for actually browsing the web.
- njsubedi 8y ago
  Excuse me?
  - marssaxman 8y ago
    Sorry, which part was confusing?
- eridius 8y ago
  Why not use Firefox for Facebook as well? If your worry is Facebook tracking you across the web, you can use Firefox Containers to give Facebook it's own container when you're browsing facebook.com.
  - marssaxman 8y ago
    I'd never heard of "Firefox Containers" before - thanks, I'll look into it.

by rosser 8y ago

I find Mail.app to have a terrible UX, but I did try it, thanks. My standing solution is to use one browser to log into big-G services, another to log into FB, and a third for everything else.

epicide 8y ago

If you have a "zero inbox" type approach, I find Mail.app to be serviceable, but to each their own. There are a few others to try. I used Airmail a few years ago. However, be on the lookout for "native" email clients that are really just web gmail wrappers.

rosser 8y ago
I've been curious about Airmail, but I'm tiring of OSX, to the point that I'm leaning towards switching back to Linux.
- lancesells 8y ago
  I've been a user of Airmail for a couple years and it's great. That said, they just had a security breach on macOS so I've stopped using it on that platform. https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/08/22/exploit-in-airmail-3-for-macos-can-send-a-users-data-to-attackers-by-simply-opening-an-email https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/08/22/exploit-in-airmai... I think I'll go back but I'm not sure.
  - shade 8y ago
    That article is from August 22 - I just checked in the MAS and the most recent Airmail update was the 25th and the changes specifically mention a URL security fix, so they may have addressed this already. I've also used Airmail on and off for years and quite like it, on both Mac and iOS. Mail.app isn't bad, but I've used labels heavily for years, including multiple labels on emails, and Mail doesn't seem to handle that scenario very well.
eridius 8y ago
I'm a fan of Spark. It's not perfect, but it's the best of the apps I've tried.

brennebeck 8y ago

Have you tried mailplaneapp.com?

rosser 8y ago
That looks really nice. If I end up staying with OSX, I'll give it a try. Thanks!
- brennebeck 8y ago
  No. Can’t recommend it enough, to be honest. Their dev team/CS is also extremely responsive (I generally hear from Lars). Honestly, it’s the only way I can handle using gmail regularly.
  - brennebeck 8y ago
    I can no longer edit but the first part got cut, instead the "No" can just be removed, to clarify.
    - rosser 8y ago
      I read it as a think-o'ed "No problem." anyway.

tempestn 8y ago

Have you tried Firefox's multi-account containers? They might be more convenient than using multiple browsers.

rosser 8y ago
I have. Unfortunately, I run my screen at a scaled resolution, so Firefox routinely pegs a full core redrawing itself, and burns my battery like it was punctured. Until that's fixed, I can't use it as my primary browser. This saddens me, because I otherwise love it. EDIT: This is actually more reason for me to switch back to Linux; FF doesn't have this bug there.
- nicoburns 8y ago
  I heard rumours this might be fixed in FF64 or FF65. It's certainly very needed!
- tempestn 8y ago
  Huh, I also run scaled and haven't noticed that. Is it possible it's an add-on causing the extreme cpu usage?
- MegaDeKay 8y ago
  Something like this came up the other day. Perhaps setting "gfx.compositor.glcontext.opaque" to true in about:config as suggested by pcwalton might help you until this bug is properly fixed? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17934764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17934764
  - rosser 8y ago
    It seems to have mitigated the issue some, but it hasn't eliminated it. I had somehow inferred from the web of related issues in the FF bug tracker that I'd need to use a nightly build for this to be effective. Thanks!

kstrauser 8y ago

It's totally OK not to like Mail.app, of course, but I'll still posit that you choose to use Gmail in your browser. You don't have to. You do have alternatives, but prefer your current multi-browser workflow. Again, that's perfectly alright! Just remember that if you reach the point that you can't stand it anymore, you do have other options available to you.

JoshMnem 8y ago

> My standing solution is to use one browser to log into big-G services, another to log into FB, and a third for everything else. Check out Firefox container tabs.[1] You can isolate sites within one browser and save the associations between containers and tabs. I use container tabs along with multiple Firefox profiles (for different combinations of browser extensions). [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers

marssaxman 8y ago

I do the same - I use Safari for Google services (since Apple is unlikely to collude with Google), I use Chrome to browse Facebook (since Google is unlikely to collude with Facebook), and I use Firefox for actually browsing the web.

njsubedi 8y ago
Excuse me?
- marssaxman 8y ago
  Sorry, which part was confusing?
eridius 8y ago
Why not use Firefox for Facebook as well? If your worry is Facebook tracking you across the web, you can use Firefox Containers to give Facebook it's own container when you're browsing facebook.com.
- marssaxman 8y ago
  I'd never heard of "Firefox Containers" before - thanks, I'll look into it.