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There is a great difference between people with a computer science background who try to generate art with programs and artist who try to use algorithms to gene

There is a great difference between people with a computer science background who try to generate art with programs and artist who try to use algorithms to generate art. There are many people of the first kind, but a few of the second kind. I advice you to study the works of people of the first kind, before you present your algorithms as art. For example, have a look at http://www.pstruycken.nl/EnWorkaImgList.html http://www.pstruycken.nl/EnWorkaImgList.html with work s of one such artist. (It is only about halfway the page that the first works made with computer programs appear.) Take notice of his colour use.

fenwick67 8y ago
Can we please stop this "only artists are allowed to make art" nonsense? The lady of the lake didn't come out and bless special individuals as "artists" and the rest of us as foolish undeserving heathens.
- pidg 8y ago
  By choosing to make art, you become an artist, so in that sense only artists _do_ make art. This isn't art, though. Art isn't functional, art creates thought and emotion. Art has thought and emotion behind it. Code can make art, but there has to be a genuine artistic intent behind the code. At best, this is design, but in reality this is a code snippet that generates random boxes.
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- fjfaase 8y ago
  If I would write a program that produces random text and I call it a science fiction generator (as in science fiction everything is allowed), would you not tell me to go and read some real science fiction stories before making such a claim? There is no clear definition of who is an artist and who is not. It is also something that depends on the context and can even change over time. You are not born an artist, but some people, usually over time, are recognized as artist. Take for example Van Gogh. He did not go to art school and during his life time he was not recognized as an artist. He was too much ahead of his time. It was only after his death that the genius of his paintings was recognized. But would you call a program that imitates his style (using neural networks) generating art? Probably not, because it is just imitation. There is nothing new or insightful about it. It does not impact our thinking in any way.
  - tomjen3 8y ago
    Honestly, most things that are labeled "art" do not impact my thinking in any way, and even things like Picasso's Guernica looks (to me) like a five-year-old attempting to do art.
    - mcphage 8y ago
      Look into some of Picasso’s earlier art, and his later art makes more sense. You can find drawing he did as a teenager which are fantastically perfect drawings. Seeing that made me understand him better—he didn’t want to be stuck in a tradition that he mastered as a child.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >The lady of the lake didn't come out and bless special individuals as "artists" and the rest of us as foolish undeserving heathens. No, hard work at aesthetics, vision, and talent did...
wheresvic1 8y ago
Yes definitely! The funny part is that the inspiration actually came from after a visit to an art exhibition where one of the paintings was just a few randomly colored boxes. That sparked the whole, well if this is selling for x thousand $$$ maybe, we can generate something similar? I encourage you to play with it and see if you can somehow lock the colors so they are slightly more harmonized.
- fjfaase 8y ago
  When I showed above mentioned artist http://www.iwriteiam.nl/BYOB2017.html http://www.iwriteiam.nl/BYOB2017.html he commented that the colours looked horrible to his eyes. (Later, I created a faster changing version: http://www.iwriteiam.nl/BYOB2018.html http://www.iwriteiam.nl/BYOB2018.html .) Just recently, I developed a version that works with a static colour palet: http://www.iwriteiam.nl/ST8x8FixedPalette.html http://www.iwriteiam.nl/ST8x8FixedPalette.html , but I am not very satified with it, after I discovered how hard it is to create a colour plate. I have never mixed any colours and never experimented with it, but I have realized that I do not master the art. The said artist does like the animation and he would like to cooperate with me to make it a joint work. He has cooperated with other software engineers for his art projects.

fenwick67 8y ago

Can we please stop this "only artists are allowed to make art" nonsense? The lady of the lake didn't come out and bless special individuals as "artists" and the rest of us as foolish undeserving heathens.

pidg 8y ago
By choosing to make art, you become an artist, so in that sense only artists _do_ make art. This isn't art, though. Art isn't functional, art creates thought and emotion. Art has thought and emotion behind it. Code can make art, but there has to be a genuine artistic intent behind the code. At best, this is design, but in reality this is a code snippet that generates random boxes.
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fjfaase 8y ago
If I would write a program that produces random text and I call it a science fiction generator (as in science fiction everything is allowed), would you not tell me to go and read some real science fiction stories before making such a claim? There is no clear definition of who is an artist and who is not. It is also something that depends on the context and can even change over time. You are not born an artist, but some people, usually over time, are recognized as artist. Take for example Van Gogh. He did not go to art school and during his life time he was not recognized as an artist. He was too much ahead of his time. It was only after his death that the genius of his paintings was recognized. But would you call a program that imitates his style (using neural networks) generating art? Probably not, because it is just imitation. There is nothing new or insightful about it. It does not impact our thinking in any way.
- tomjen3 8y ago
  Honestly, most things that are labeled "art" do not impact my thinking in any way, and even things like Picasso's Guernica looks (to me) like a five-year-old attempting to do art.
  - mcphage 8y ago
    Look into some of Picasso’s earlier art, and his later art makes more sense. You can find drawing he did as a teenager which are fantastically perfect drawings. Seeing that made me understand him better—he didn’t want to be stuck in a tradition that he mastered as a child.
coldtea 8y ago
>The lady of the lake didn't come out and bless special individuals as "artists" and the rest of us as foolish undeserving heathens. No, hard work at aesthetics, vision, and talent did...

wheresvic1 8y ago

Yes definitely! The funny part is that the inspiration actually came from after a visit to an art exhibition where one of the paintings was just a few randomly colored boxes. That sparked the whole, well if this is selling for x thousand $$$ maybe, we can generate something similar? I encourage you to play with it and see if you can somehow lock the colors so they are slightly more harmonized.

fjfaase 8y ago
When I showed above mentioned artist http://www.iwriteiam.nl/BYOB2017.html http://www.iwriteiam.nl/BYOB2017.html he commented that the colours looked horrible to his eyes. (Later, I created a faster changing version: http://www.iwriteiam.nl/BYOB2018.html http://www.iwriteiam.nl/BYOB2018.html .) Just recently, I developed a version that works with a static colour palet: http://www.iwriteiam.nl/ST8x8FixedPalette.html http://www.iwriteiam.nl/ST8x8FixedPalette.html , but I am not very satified with it, after I discovered how hard it is to create a colour plate. I have never mixed any colours and never experimented with it, but I have realized that I do not master the art. The said artist does like the animation and he would like to cooperate with me to make it a joint work. He has cooperated with other software engineers for his art projects.