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I see this self-assured attitude often with users from the US. Do you honestly not think GDPR had any effect? If it only served to remind businesses user privac

by toxik 8y ago

I see this self-assured attitude often with users from the US. Do you honestly not think GDPR had any effect? If it only served to remind businesses user privacy is protected by law, then that was an effect. The EU has taken legal action against US companies before, and it has made a difference in this world. Why do you think it won't happen again, apart from your deep-rooted revulsion to mostly all forms of market regulation? This idea that the US is the breadwinner of the world and a paragon for all to strive for is such a tired old misconception born from not-so-subtle nationalism. The US is not a utopia of happy, well-fed people with homes. You got a big army though, that's for sure.

lrem 8y ago
I work in Google and we had posters about getting ready for GDPR eons ago. Which sounds like having some effect to me.
kodablah 8y ago
> Do you honestly not think GDPR had any effect? Of course I think it had an effect. I just believe it was/is a net negative effect. When I say doesn't/didn't work, I mean what I perceive the intended goal is vs societal costs. Akin to saying anti-drug laws don't work and are ineffective... nobody is saying they have no effect. I believe, if reasonably drafted and incrementally applied, data protection laws could have a positive effect. > Why do you think it won't happen again, apart from your deep-rooted revulsion to mostly all forms of market regulation? I'm talking about data protection regulation. Based on my research, many companies were violating existing data protection statues and the regulatory bodies were not punishing them out of apathy and limited resources. Why do you assume I have an issue with all forms of market regulation? That's false and I'm not sure where I said that. All of the rest of your post is attacking some other kind of argument that I never presented.
- toxik 8y ago
  I think narcotics legislation has worked fine for most nations. Only one declared war on drugs though, which has not panned out super well I'd say. It has amounted to kicking extra hard on those lying down in many ways. Attacking this and attacking that, I'm describing a mentality that I come across as a European on HN a lot. It has a little bit to do with you, as I said, I'm picking up on this same sense of "lol look at those dumb Europeans, they don't know what's best for the market," I think you'd agree that this mentality is fairly strong in the US. The US is many things, but humble is not a word I'd use.
  - kodablah 8y ago
    You shouldn't pick up that sense, you shouldn't assume people are calling entire peoples dumb, etc. I think that mentality you assume is absolutely not very strong. In many cases, envy and embarrassment is much stronger. By arguing from your assumed perspective you are not doing so in good faith and disappointing.

by toxik 8y ago

lrem 8y ago

I work in Google and we had posters about getting ready for GDPR eons ago. Which sounds like having some effect to me.

kodablah 8y ago

> Do you honestly not think GDPR had any effect? Of course I think it had an effect. I just believe it was/is a net negative effect. When I say doesn't/didn't work, I mean what I perceive the intended goal is vs societal costs. Akin to saying anti-drug laws don't work and are ineffective... nobody is saying they have no effect. I believe, if reasonably drafted and incrementally applied, data protection laws could have a positive effect. > Why do you think it won't happen again, apart from your deep-rooted revulsion to mostly all forms of market regulation? I'm talking about data protection regulation. Based on my research, many companies were violating existing data protection statues and the regulatory bodies were not punishing them out of apathy and limited resources. Why do you assume I have an issue with all forms of market regulation? That's false and I'm not sure where I said that. All of the rest of your post is attacking some other kind of argument that I never presented.

toxik 8y ago
I think narcotics legislation has worked fine for most nations. Only one declared war on drugs though, which has not panned out super well I'd say. It has amounted to kicking extra hard on those lying down in many ways. Attacking this and attacking that, I'm describing a mentality that I come across as a European on HN a lot. It has a little bit to do with you, as I said, I'm picking up on this same sense of "lol look at those dumb Europeans, they don't know what's best for the market," I think you'd agree that this mentality is fairly strong in the US. The US is many things, but humble is not a word I'd use.
- kodablah 8y ago
  You shouldn't pick up that sense, you shouldn't assume people are calling entire peoples dumb, etc. I think that mentality you assume is absolutely not very strong. In many cases, envy and embarrassment is much stronger. By arguing from your assumed perspective you are not doing so in good faith and disappointing.