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Because greatly increasing the suffering of millions of people who flee a warzone just because some of their ranks are criminals, extremists, or terrorists posi
by meowface 8y ago
Because greatly increasing the suffering of millions of people who flee a warzone just because some of their ranks are criminals, extremists, or terrorists posing as refugees is very unfair to the vast majority of these people. People shouldn't be allowed in without vetting, but refugees need to go or be placed somewhere.
- ahana27 8y agoIt also is not an extreme position to say that that is not my problem, that I don't care, and that I don't want to sacrifice my safety to help them.
- jazzyjackson 8y agoClimate change is going to make refugees everyone's problem (if it doesn't make you a refugee yourself) so I would encourage you to keep your eyes open for effective means of absorbing migrant populations.
- ahana27 8y agoActually no, it doesn't have to be our problem: in an extreme case we can just shoot to kill.
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- 2kool4skool 8y agoIs it extreme to slash your tires and burn your house down? That's the immediate feeling I get when reading your words.
- isostatic 8y agoWhile your salary is partly due to your country bowing up weddings that you don't care about, don't be surprised when you get 9/11 Just like the British benefited from the East India company, the US benefits from destabilisation on the other side of the world. Eventually the world fights back. Every time a western bomb kills 100 civilians, of their 400 relatives 4 turn into extremists with a (legitimate) grievance against the west. Doesn't matter if the western bomb killed a terrorist ringleader, it's not helping.
- MaulingMonkey 8y agoI'd be more worried about getting stabbed by the average low empathy xenophobe than the average asylum seeker fleeing violence. Should we remove xenophobes from Germany? No? Vetting people and holding them accountable for their actions is one thing, but closing borders outright to me is just hysteria. I doubt such cruelty is going to make the world a safer place in the long term, either. The average person remembers who was kind in their time of need and who was not.
- nnq 8y agoPeople died in Natzy camps because other people took the position of "it's not my problem"... An action is extremist or not depending on consequences and context. I know, as a fellow European, it's easier to not care when the people suffering happen to come from places like the Middle East or Africa. But this is just a bias to overcome. Probably real solution is that Western European countries actually update their police and legal systems to the point that they can handle the problem of more and harder to "herd" people. If there really are "no-go zones" in a country, then imo that's just police incompetence/complacency - they are paid from your tax money especially to prevent stuff like this from happening. More police and more prisons (and an upgraded legal machine to promptly prosecute thieves and rapists etc.) doesn't sound good, but it's kind of what you need to keep a safe society in the context of wandering masses of people with different values that need to be coerced a little into accepting democratical and liberal values...