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> It tries to address something that was always considered a hard limit and the perfectly natural thing Death being "perfectly natural" is not a good argument,

by chr1 8y ago

> It tries to address something that was always considered a hard limit and the perfectly natural thing Death being "perfectly natural" is not a good argument, having slaves, eating people, not allowing women to vote, all have been considered perfectly natural at various points in time, and some time soon accepting aging will be considered equally backwards, as these other things. > There are plenty of movies on this topic so no need to go into details I am asking because i have not seen a single pro-aging argument that had made any sense to me, in the best case they are about some people killing other people to get their stuff, which is not directly related to aging, in the worst they are "fox and the grapes" kind of rationalizations saying that the thing people want but can't get is probably not worth it. On the other hand i have seen many compelling arguments that curing aging is the _most important_ thing that we can do now. For instance: https://nickbostrom.com/fable/dragon.html https://nickbostrom.com/fable/dragon.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25qzDhGLx8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25qzDhGLx8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoJsr4IwCm4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoJsr4IwCm4

close04 8y ago
> having slaves, eating people, not allowing women to vote, all have been considered perfectly natural I think we're talking about different kinds of natural. What I meant (an clearly mentioned) is that almost all life on Earth since the beginning of life followed a natural cycle: it was "born" (a cell, an individual), lived a certain relatively predetermined period, then it died. Your examples are about an individual, a species, a society. I'm talking about all life. > i have not seen a single pro-aging argument I'm not sure what you're saying, you have not seen any good argument that supports the idea that we should age and die? With uncontrollable rise in population you have everything that accompanies it coming from the lack of resources and limited space. What happens to people who want to live on this planet but no longer fit, or have food? An "incentive" to buzz off the planet, right? Where? What if there is no planet able to support you? What happens if you are ever unhappy with something and want to change it but the person you're fighting has 200 years of experience, power, and wealth under his belt. They are for all intents and purposes Gods walking on Earth. If you haven't seen any "good" reasons against eternal life than I think you weren't really looking. ;)

by chr1 8y ago

close04 8y ago

> having slaves, eating people, not allowing women to vote, all have been considered perfectly natural I think we're talking about different kinds of natural. What I meant (an clearly mentioned) is that almost all life on Earth since the beginning of life followed a natural cycle: it was "born" (a cell, an individual), lived a certain relatively predetermined period, then it died. Your examples are about an individual, a species, a society. I'm talking about all life. > i have not seen a single pro-aging argument I'm not sure what you're saying, you have not seen any good argument that supports the idea that we should age and die? With uncontrollable rise in population you have everything that accompanies it coming from the lack of resources and limited space. What happens to people who want to live on this planet but no longer fit, or have food? An "incentive" to buzz off the planet, right? Where? What if there is no planet able to support you? What happens if you are ever unhappy with something and want to change it but the person you're fighting has 200 years of experience, power, and wealth under his belt. They are for all intents and purposes Gods walking on Earth. If you haven't seen any "good" reasons against eternal life than I think you weren't really looking. ;)